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I just keep reading "help me" posts all over this forum from shooters of discarding sabots and rifled barrels.
Why?
Is the smooth bore and fosters as accurate as the rifled barrel and sabots?
Maybe.
Sometimes.
Depends.
From the complaints and plea for help, the descriptions such as " my rifled s.g. is all over the place " I'd say maybe some tuned smoothbores outshoot many ailing rifled barrels with expensive ammo.
JC. You seem to be getting pretty fair accuracy from your Savage bolt gun and what you call 9 buck a box ammo.
I already mentioned that SST ammo is 12 bucks and more around these parts.
I can clearly demonstrate groups of UNDER 2" at 50 yards, UNDER 3" at 75 yards from downright CHEAP K.O. ammo and a well tuned downright CHEAP M-500 pump.
A 2 M.O.A. smoothie?
That is a rare beast indeed. I had one that would toss Winchester fosters into 2" at 100 but that was years, and years, ago a very, very, well tuned 870, pinned barrel etc., and ammo from the same lot #.
I doubt, seriously doubt, a smoothie can consistantly shoot 2 MOA.
No one ever said they could.
But from what I'm reading here from the VAST majority of posters is that the rifled guns they are shooting with expensive ammo are NOT shooting anywhere near 2" at 50 and 3" at 100.
A tunned smoothie will and with cheap ammo.
THAT is the crux of my argument.
You seem to want to argue for the sake of it.
I accept argument in the scientific sense only.
I was hoping some other members here would be showing me 2 MOA groups with some rifled pump or auto loader and be specific about the brand of ammo.
By the way.
The cheapest 'sabot" ammo I can find anywhere on the net is Hastings which is a nondiscarding sabot at 8.99 to 9.99 per 5.
I can find NO SST ammo under about 13 bucks a fiver.
Why?
Is the smooth bore and fosters as accurate as the rifled barrel and sabots?
Maybe.
Sometimes.
Depends.
From the complaints and plea for help, the descriptions such as " my rifled s.g. is all over the place " I'd say maybe some tuned smoothbores outshoot many ailing rifled barrels with expensive ammo.
JC. You seem to be getting pretty fair accuracy from your Savage bolt gun and what you call 9 buck a box ammo.
I already mentioned that SST ammo is 12 bucks and more around these parts.
I can clearly demonstrate groups of UNDER 2" at 50 yards, UNDER 3" at 75 yards from downright CHEAP K.O. ammo and a well tuned downright CHEAP M-500 pump.
A 2 M.O.A. smoothie?
That is a rare beast indeed. I had one that would toss Winchester fosters into 2" at 100 but that was years, and years, ago a very, very, well tuned 870, pinned barrel etc., and ammo from the same lot #.
I doubt, seriously doubt, a smoothie can consistantly shoot 2 MOA.
No one ever said they could.
But from what I'm reading here from the VAST majority of posters is that the rifled guns they are shooting with expensive ammo are NOT shooting anywhere near 2" at 50 and 3" at 100.
A tunned smoothie will and with cheap ammo.
THAT is the crux of my argument.
You seem to want to argue for the sake of it.
I accept argument in the scientific sense only.
I was hoping some other members here would be showing me 2 MOA groups with some rifled pump or auto loader and be specific about the brand of ammo.
By the way.
The cheapest 'sabot" ammo I can find anywhere on the net is Hastings which is a nondiscarding sabot at 8.99 to 9.99 per 5.
I can find NO SST ammo under about 13 bucks a fiver.
