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Beretta 686 Chamber Pressure

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#1 ·
Hello,

SAMMI lists the maximum safe chamber pressure of 12 gauge shotguns with a 3" chamber at 11,000 psi. However, one gunsmith I spoke to said this number is a guide that will be safe in any 12 gauge shotgun, but that modern guns from Beretta and Browning should be able to handle more pressure (14,000 psi). Is this accurate?
 
#5 ·
JDNy said:
Yes, but should new, better made 3" chamber guns be able to handle the slight increase in pressure without a catastrophic failure?
Are you willing to bet your face on it? You cant put 10# of #%&* in a 5# bag without spilling any. Besides you get more velocity with a 2 3/4" shell than a 3 because the 3 is using the same pressure with a heavier payload. If you want a 3.5in gun get it. It ain't worth blowing your face off.
 
#6 ·
There are proof marks stamped on your barrel that will indicate the proof level.

A star with the letters PSF underneath, is an Italian proof mark that is a standard load, maybe 1,500 - 2,000 PSI less than the SAAMI max. of 11,500 PSI .

Two stars with the letters PSF underneath, is an Italian superior proof mark that means that the shotgun was proofed pretty much in line with the SAAMI max. of 11,500 PSI .

The only shotguns that get proofed for 14,000 PSI are chambered for the 3 1/2" 12 Gauge.

At one time I had a document that showed what the actual pressures were. It was lost when my old computers' hard drive quit. I believe I am fairly close on those numbers though. I haven't ever seen a 686 that didn't have the 2 star proof, of course I haven't seen every 686 made either.

I hope this helps.
 
#9 ·
JDNy said:
Thanks. Beretta used to make a 3.5" 686, which I assume was safe to 14,000 psi. Do you think the gun could safely handle 3.5" shells if the barrels were reamed to 3.5"?
Not only is Randy right, but it would totally ruin the proof test that those Italians went to so much trouble to make sure that the gun was safe for you! Not only would it be unsafe for 3.5" shells, it would then be out of proof for ANY shell!

Now, what was that old saying that is credited to John Wayne? Something like, "Life is tough, and if you are ------, it's even tougher!" (Send it back for re-proof? They would likely destroy it right off the bat!) And they should!

Slow down a bit and learn what is safe to "assume", and what is not. It's going to be a lot less than you would expect.

But if you do find a gunsmith that is willing to do it, you can assume that you should run, just as fast as you can, away from him!
 
#10 ·
A dozen or so years ago a man named Oscar Gaddy was the guru for damascus barrels. Gaddy's rule of thumb was that a shotgun barrel, any barrel, should be proved for 20,000 pounds, that modern barrels should have service loads of no more than 10,000 pounds, old damascus barrels should not have more than 6,000 pounds, and that any shotgun barrel should not blow up until 30,000 pounds. This assumes that the chambers are left exactly as they came from the factory.

Gaddy experimented on an otherwise sound G grade damascus Lefever by reaming out the chamber from 2 5/8" to 3",,,which did not blow up the gun even with proof loads,,,,then by reaming out to 3 1/2" the Lefever failed on the first shot with a standard factory shell, which made no more than 14,000 psi. The same barrel passed 20,000 psi proof with a 3 inch chamber.

The problem with reaming out a half inch of chamber is that you are taking the metal out of the most critical part of the barrel that has the least reserve for higher pressure. The makers taper the barrel very quickly starting at the end of the factory chamber they cut in the barrel.

I have a long forcing cone reamer. I only use it to give long forcing cones to single barrel pumps and autos, that have barrel walls with lots of extra metal. I never, ever lengthen a chamber on anything.

Cutting one half inch extra in a three inch chambered barrel is asking for disaster. Don't do it.