Can the front sight be drifted for windage?

 

No unfortunately 😪

 

How far away and how fast a target are you planning on shooting with buckshot that the wind would make a difference? Not to mention that a defensive gun like that is going to be shot indoors mostly anyway, whether defending your home or at the range. You just point at something less than 15 yards away and shoot, preferably multiple times.

No offense intended at all, just wondering if worrying about the wind is really all that relevant for a gun like that. I have one of those particular guns and adjusting for wind has never crossed my mind when shooting it.

 

How far away and how fast a target are you planning on shooting with buckshot that the wind would make a difference? Not to mention that a defensive gun like that is going to be shot indoors mostly anyway, whether defending your home or at the range. You just point at something less than 15 yards away and shoot, preferably multiple times.

No offense intended at all, just wondering if worrying about the wind is really all that relevant for a gun like that. I have one of those particular guns and adjusting for wind has never crossed my mind when shooting it.

No offense taken at all. Not concerned about the actual wind moving anything. Concerned about being able to zero the gun appropriately. You want your slug, or your pattern, to hit the middle of your target when you aim at the middle of your target. Any deviation leaves room for error, especially in a stressful situation. And as noted, you can absolutely miss with a shotgun, or not get enough of the pattern on target to be combat effective. And just unloading on a target is extremely reckless to those around you, and wastes ammo, of which you have precious little in a shotgun.
Once you add a ghost sight to a shotgun, aiming and sighting become akin to a long rifle. You have to adjust the rear sight so your pattern or slug hits where you want when your aiming. If the rear sight is fixed there is no room for adjustment, and your stuck with what you have. So if you aim for the middle and your pattern or slug hits three inches up and four to the right, that's what your stuck with. So every time you fire you have to aim three inches down and four to the left so you can be on target. So, your better off just having a bead sight where you can just point and shoot with a great deal of accuracy 15yds and in.👍

 

Easy fix.

Red dot.

Or green.

 

Yep

 

From the Beretta spokesman

The sight is not adjustable for windage or elevation. “It [plastic] was used for two reasons,” Killam said. “First, plastic is lighter and less costly and helped us get down below the $1,000 price in the market—(the MSRP is $1,099). Second, the metal sight is not much stronger than the plastic but is heavier and more costly.”



And what the vast majority of people who buy this gun do

 

I wouldn’t let a non adjustable rear sight sway me from purchasing a tactical shotgun. It’s an easily replaceable accessory. Either put a red dot on the rail, or an aftermarket replacement adjustable ghost ring sight that will bolt into the original’s mount…

You’d still have a lot less invested in the A300 Patrol than you would a 1301.

 

I purchased an LE version of the A300 Ultima Patrol (fixed choke) back in July, and it's been an outstanding shotgun. It's comfortable to shoot, great ergonomics, accurate, and has performed flawlessly. I recently attended an all day defensive shotgun course and shot over 250 rounds of birdshot, buckshot, and slugs without a single F2F. The fixed rear sight didn't bother me at all, and I placed 15 slugs into a 8" target at 50 yards! IMHO, the A300 is extremely accurate right out of the box, and is an excellent and dependable defensive or tactical shotgun. I wouldn't worry too much about the sights for most situations.

 

That is a sweet looking gun, and I'm glad your loving it! It's just with the sights I have on my current shotguns I'm putting 2in groups at 50yds and hitting 6in plates at 100 without difficulties. That may sound like overkill, until you see how much your groupings open up under duress. That's why I prefer a great deal of precision.

 

Fixed sights are only a flaw if the point of aim doesn't equal the point of impact!

Post some test shots at 25 yards. Us old cowboys are partial to fixed sights as ifn' you bump them hard they stay where they are.

As mentioned, it's a sort of manufacturing general rule that the retail price has to be 5 times the price of parts to break even.

 

That is a good point about them not shifting upon impact!! And yeah, I'm likely just spoiled having been brough up on adjustable sights

 

The Berreta A300 Ultima Patrol is all the new rage in semi auto tactical shotguns, and for good reason. It's packed with great features at a reasonable price. But there's one major flaw that has turned me off to it, and everyone should be warned about. I was holding one, ready to purchase when I realized the rear sight can't be adjusted. It's a rear ghost sight that cant be adjusted...You just have to hope the windage and elevation pre-set is zeroed to your shooting style, otherwise oh well....better learn your holds REALLY well.
There's no reason for this, might as well put a bead sight, because that's likely more versatile and accurate then this mess. I have read a few threads where people have replaced the rear sight with the 1301 sight, but still can't zero in as the height difference between the front and rear sight is too far off. A common problem with buying after market rear sights on shotguns.
The tropes of yesteryear are gone; accuracy does matter, you can miss with a shotgun, and precision is a thing....so why this oversight from such a company with such a good reputation?
Furthermore, how come every guntube review fails to mention this? They don't even try to point out the sight can be adjusted. Is every person reviewing guns trulybought out at this point?
Anyway, sorry for the rant. I just wanted everyone to be aware of what their getting into with this gun, as I was very disappointed and almost made a very expensive mistake. Cheers

I think your concerns over accuracy will fall on deaf ears among this crowd. I've been told that a pattern 4"-6" off center is well within acceptable norms here. I'm no beretta fan, and lately have been becoming no fan of any manufacturer. For $1000 dollars I should have all the options available to me that I desire. And i can't think of anyone who isn't paid off reviewing guns now days.

 

Unfortunately I would have to agree, as I've run into the same thing. I think the shotgun can do extraordinary things, but people's expectations, and what they believe is acceptable performance, is just too low.
And yeah, at $1000 I don't think having adjustable rear sights is too much to ask, considering I can get XS Sights on a 590a1 for $600.

 

The A300 Ultima Patrol is my first shotgun. I live in the middle of downtown Chicago in an extremely high crime area. I chose it for the possibility of quickly "ventilating" violent intruders and zombies (whichever kicks-in my front door first) and blasting door hinges and locks off to quickly escape the zombie hordes that might corner me after the SHTF.

As much as I may do some skeet shooting, it's doubtful I'll be sitting in a duck blind having to adjust for windage.

I was well-aware of the non-adjustable sights when I was reviewing its features. I spoke with a Beretta Rep, she alluded to the possibility of sight upgrades...something I thought would be great when it happens. The current sights (I think) can be removed (center portions) from the housings via screws....something i've yet to investigate.

My intention all along was to mount a green dot optic for 1/3rd co-witness (I 1/3rd co-witness on my pistols, and don't use iron sights on my ARs and battle rifles, opting for all optic).

The ghost ring sights I'll mainly have as backup.

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my 2 cents worth: My A300 patrol hits POA-POI to a 6 inch plate with rifled slugs out to 75 yards every shot. I doubt that I will need more distance, as this is designed to be a home defense gun.

 

My reason for selecting it.

 

I saw somewhere that the aftermarket has a metal adjustable rear sight - maybe it was GGGG?

 

LPA is steel and a perfect fit/replacement.

 

I wouldn't let that stop you- it's a great shotgun. True, it comes with that all-plastic rear sight assembly, but what I did was mount an LPA steel sight that's adjustable for elevation and windage. It also is available (thru Fusion Firearms) with a variety of rear sight options. I don't think any of the people reviewing it cared too much about mentioning that the rear sight assembly was plastic and non-adjustable, as nearly all mount a projected dot optic. I have a FarrowTech plate- mounted 509T. An outstanding solution that now completely co-witnesses along the sight radius.

 

Thanks for this info. Did you replace the front sight as well?

 

I certainly understand the OP's first post. Its information that might be important to him or others and doesn't deserve to be sweep under the rug. After all at least IMO for $1000 ish you should get what you want or at the very least know what your getting.

I bought a A300 camo hunting shotgun. I knew it only came with 3 chokes. I saw the front bead wasn't going to fly. They was all i likely needed and they would have worked. But not what i wanted Unlike most if not many on here i want my cake and eat it too. I can point my finger i can point a shotgun but there's just so many times i aim it . My shotguns must do both point and shoot where i'm looking and let me shoot a tight choke and shoot where i aim it. A example i like to use my dogs run a rabbit by me and its flying. I point and shoot. The next rabbit might hop out and set at 5 yards i need to aim at just the head.

I can see the need in a self defense situation the need to both point and aim.

Now is the A300 Patrol a good enough gun for the money your willing to by after market to make it what you want. In my case i thought it was so i bought chokes to fill in the voids and changed the front bead and removed the Kickoff recoil system. Now i'm happy with my choice.

 

I certainly understand the OP's first post. Its information that might be important to him or others and doesn't deserve to be sweep under the rug. After all at least IMO for $1000 ish you should get what you want or at the very least know what your getting.

I bought a A300 camo hunting shotgun. I knew it only came with 3 chokes. I saw the front bead wasn't going to fly. They was all i likely needed and they would have worked. But not what i wanted Unlike most if not many on here i want my cake and eat it too. I can point my finger i can point a shotgun but there's just so many times i aim it . My shotguns must do both point and shoot where i'm looking and let me shoot a tight choke and shoot where i aim it. A example i like to use my dogs run a rabbit by me and its flying. I point and shoot. The next rabbit might hop out and set at 5 yards i need to aim at just the head.

I can see the need in a self defense situation the need to both point and aim.

Now is the A300 Patrol a good enough gun for the money your willing to by after market to make it what you want. In my case i thought it was so i bought chokes to fill in the voids and changed the front bead and removed the Kickoff recoil system. Now i'm happy with my choice.

I agree with your assessment fully. I find with this model, by the time I fix the things I don't like I'm about $400 away from a 1301. So might as well just keep saving and get it, because it truly is the King of Semi-Auto shotguns....if your into that kinda thing lol

 

The plastic sight is of terrible quality. I have had my gun for a day, knocked it over at my house and bumped it off of the floor, the rear sight and ghost ring shattered. It’s a joke to pay 1000 dollars for a gun and not have a durable, dependable sight. I hope the rest of this gun isn’t as fragile. This is a home defense weapon for me, does beretta not believe that sights need to be durable in defense situations? What if the sight bumps a wall during a fight? A stiff wind could have shattered this rear sight.

 

I'm sorry to hear. Let me know if you install the adjustable LPA rear sight.

 

Beretta makes a metal replacement. click here. I got mine when they were on sale, which Beretta does occasionally. They are out of stock now, but they will make more.

 

This is great!!! Thanks, I might actually buy one of these guns now lol.