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Mr. Gentry..........having decided to take up skeet and take lessons, Ihave been looking around on the net at the various shotgun manufacturersand their O/U. I note there is a wide range of prices from AmericanArms Field I and II, to Traditions Sporting Clays II at $919, and onwardand up to Rugar's Red Label at $1400.My question, if you can help, is this-- is their a substantialdifference in the guns given the price. I would think so, but notknowing much about such guns, I am trying to find out all I can to makean intelligent decision. My goal is to learn to shoot skeet andsporting clays, as well as to be able to shoot with my church friendsout on the fields for fun. I am not looking to become a hunter.Do you have any recommendations on what to look for or are there anyreputable books on shotguns which discuss and compare them? Kind oflike a "Consumer Reports" for shotguns?Thanks very much.
 

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You might consider traditions fausti stefano of italy.I have seen their field II model for as little as $500.00 at walmart,sounds funny looking at walmart for an o/u but they seem to be a really nice gun.
 

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Having checked out all the under $1000 o/u's, i settled on a Verona and have since found it to be all i could ask for. Very similar to a beretta onyx, but can be had for between $550 and $750.Can't say enough about it.........extremely light yet low recoil, fit and finish right up there with the big boys, beautiful looks, and i hit with it like never before. If you can find in the $500 range as i've heard a few people have, i wouldn't even consider anything else. I payed $750 but it was worth every penny. Made by F.A.I.R./I Rizzini in Italy, it is mechanically the same gun as they sell, and their cheapest model is around 2 grand. This was told to me via email from the company. They are imported by BC outdoors/PMC ammo as Verona. They have a lifetime warrany, which i'm sure others will say is worth nothing if the company goes out of business, but i'd rather have it than nothing. And if they did go away and it does need parts, F.A.I.R. should be able to supply them since it is in fact the same as thier guns.Her are some pics of mine i posted right after i got it because there are no pics online that really look like it....www.onlinerock.com/musici...erona.htmlSorry bout the quality........my camera has a crappy flash.-Dale
 

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First of all make sure no matter what you choose it has a choke tube system. It will be easy to find a used skeet gun w/o them for under a grand. Listen to me when i tell you, you'll want to try other shotguning sports and skeet chokes will be useless for everything but skeet.Secondly if you want to buy a gun you can shoot alot for a long time you want a Browning Citori. Yes i know its more than a $1000.00 but you get a high quality gun cheaper than a Bonelli or a Perazzi. I've been shooting competition trap for years and I will only shoot Browning or Perazzi. Oh and as for a Ruger, well built and wiil last but to heavy and clumsy to use. That's why there aren't any Ruger shooters on the circuit. So good luck my friend and happy shooting.
 

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A good o/u under 1,000 is the Charles Daly Gold Field Hunter. I just had a couple hundred dollars worth or wood work done on mine. (Appearance enhancing features) This gun was a suprise gift, but a suprise well worth it.
 

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a couple of things to consider when shopping, choke system, gauge, stock and barrel length, you'd be suprised how different brands compare, some for $500 will out-perform $1000 guns, others for $500 end up buying $500 bucks worth of accessories when the $1000 had all the accessories with the brand name, a matching set, the best thing to do is get out to the range and try a few, most gunshops have an outdoor range on hand just for that purpose, a gun that may seem nice and save a few $ could be un-comfortable to handle and poorly balanced, yet a $1000 gun could be too, basically the point i'm driving in is to get some hands on for different brands and models, find one that suits your needs, eyes, wallet, and shoulders, the "perfect" gun for you
 

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I am thinking of purchasing a remington 870 super express magnum w/26in barrell new for all around use as a hunting gun (no specific type of anamal yet). I was also going to use it for trap shooting. I can't find any ratings information to see what 12 ga's are the best for all around use. Any info on this would be helpful.
 

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Mr. Flager: If I could make a couple of suggestions. I think beginning shooters make the mistake of rushing in to purchase a gun too quickly, and, sometimes, they regret their decision, based, primarily, on what they learn about the FIT of the gun.Further, in this regard, you can shoot skeet with a gas semi-auto, and, especially, when you are first learning and shooting a lot of practice rounds, it is SOOOO much more gentle on the body than an over/under.Skeet is an excellent training ground for sporting clays, and many of the top shooters are switching to semi-autos in sporting clays.As an example, if I shot 200 rounds with an over/under I would, physically, need several days to recover. However, with my Beretta (gas gun), 200 rounds is a piece of cake, and if I shoot light loads I could probably shoot 400 rounds in a day. It is that big a difference...for me.A firend of mine is a shooting instructor, and he has two different guns for his clients to use to get them through the start-up stage. You might be able to find a similar situation.I'll tell you another nice situation that I am seeing more and more. Many of the gun shops have rental programs, where you can pay a fee from $100 to $200 and shoot specific guns for a limited period (six months; I think they would let you go as long as you want), and, then, the rental is applied against the purchase.My Beretta is nice, but a person would certainly have to consider the Browing Gold offer, if that is still on, where you get a $100 discount from the coupon. If a Remington 1187 (gas semi-auto) fits you that is a wonderful shotgun, and they are only about $500 at the discount stores.I guess my point is to take your time, and determine the type and the FIT of the shotgun, before you rush in and plunk down your $1000.You could go out and get a used Remington 1100 with a poly choke for $200, if it fit, blast a few thousand rounds through it, and, then, get the kind of gun you want, based on your experiences.RemingtonII
 

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Go for a Beretta whitewing or a Browning Citori. They are both right at $1,000. Both from reputably gum makers. On many of the under $1,000 o/u do not have ejectors, they have extractors. Buying some unheard of gun to save a few hundred bucks is a big mistake. Buy a quality gun and it will last a lifetime.
 

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I think the best shotgun in that range is an 11-87. IF you ever decide to 'go pro', you'll find a few things out.

One is you're going to invest enough in ammo and shells that which gun you shoot to a point will be a function of what you want vs. what you think you can afford.

Another is that you can trick an 11-87 out pretty thoroughly. Whether you want to shoot skeet, sporting clays, trap or afield the 11-87 will do it. If you decide you want to go pro in skeet, you can just shoot the 12ga games, or you can obtain an O/U already tubed from someone who's given up, decided they couldn't shoot the gun for whatever reason... reasonably priced. Stay away from the high-grade guns (if you're asking about $1000 now you won't want to buy an EELL or Grade VI later). Stick with the base sporting or dedicated skeet models and you'll be fine.

Lots of people say gas guns are dirty. Well, they are when compared to a double. However, professionals take care of their equipment, and you won't be shooting junk-shells through it in competition. Trust me when I say it'll last the day without a hitch.

Recoil at the end of the day WILL get to you at some point. A gas gun will help with this a lot, esp as you get into higher volume shooting.

Beretta also makes a fine gas-gun. www.beretta.com Remington's gas-gun is somewhat more 'tweak n peak-able' with more barreling options...
 
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Mr. Gentry..........having decided to take up skeet and take lessons, Ihave been looking around on the net at the various shotgun manufacturersand their O/U. I note there is a wide range of prices from AmericanArms Field I and II, to Traditions Sporting Clays II at $919, and onwardand up to Rugar's Red Label at $1400.My question, if you can help, is this-- is their a substantialdifference in the guns given the price. I would think so, but notknowing much about such guns, I am trying to find out all I can to makean intelligent decision. My goal is to learn to shoot skeet andsporting clays, as well as to be able to shoot with my church friendsout on the fields for fun. I am not looking to become a hunter.Do you have any recommendations on what to look for or are there anyreputable books on shotguns which discuss and compare them? Kind oflike a "Consumer Reports" for shotguns?Thanks very much.
I just purchased a Verona over/under 12 *****. $619 at Dick's Sporting Goods. Excellent gun, made like the best, lifetime warranty and Cabela's and Gander Mountain couldn't believe the machining on the gun, were very impressed and liked it better than the Browning or Benelli or Beretta.
 
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Guess I will have to echo the above poster. However, I got my Verona at Dick's for a mere $539.99. It was the last one available and since it had been on display they knocked 10% off. I have never heard of nor seen any new gun anywhere that sold for $540.00 and has the quality and beauty of my Verona LX502. The warranty (IF it is ever needed) is great, the wood is super, the machining and fit are on par with O/U's costing hundreds more AND I believe that BC is beginning to resolve their customer service problems. Cress is getting the job done and working hard to make sure others do as well. Long live the VERONA!!!
 
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