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Madison, Wisconsin - 03.18.03

Retired Peace Officer Carry Bill Passes Assembly

The Wisconsin state Assembly passed assembly bill AB40, by an 82 to 16 margin. AB40 would allow retired peace officers to carry concealed weapons.

While many gun owners are frustrated that a bill would allow just retired peace officers to carry, those gun owners should realize that this bill represents a first step toward concealed carry for all Wisconsin citizens. Also, the huge margin of votes is an indication of how much support we may see for citizen concealed carry once that bill is introduced.

The next stop for AB40 is the state senate.
 

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Wisconsin - 02.24.03

What's Happening With the Concealed Carry Bill

Last year we were told that the concealed carry bill would be one of the first introduced in this year's legislative session. Unfortunately, that was before the budget deficit started dominating the front pages of newspapers all over the state every single day.

The budget process has taken priority over everything else in the legislature, including concealed carry. The Right to Hunt and Trap amendment passed, and only took 45 minutes in the senate (most of which time was spent by a couple of Democrats complaining about taking time away from the budget negotiations). Some papers hammered the Republicans for bringing up the amendment when the more pressing issue of the budget was not finished, even though it was necessary to pass the amendment so that it could be on the referendum in the April elections.

So, introducing concealed carry right now would be a mistake, since many supporters would vote to table it and get on with the budget. Once the budget stuff is over--which should be by June--it will be introduced. It is possible, though, that many legislators will go home after the grueling budget battle, and that it won't be until September that we get any action. All of us should be prepared for that possibility.

We're also in a holding pattern while we wait for a decision from the state supreme court in State vs. Hamdan (docket #010056). A WCCA volunteer--who's also an attorney with a background in constitutional law--sat in on the oral arguments back in November. His feeling was that the court would rule at least somewhat in our favor, based on the remarks of the justices. Others in Madison feel the same way, and some legislators are thinking that whatever decision the court hands down will help give the concealed carry bill more momentum.

The last thing that's delaying the introduction of the bill is the special elections for the senate seats vacated by Democrat Senators Shibilski and Grobschmidt, both of whom took cabinet positions in the Doyle administration. Shibilski's district is very pro-gun (as is Shibilski), and Grobschmidt generally voted pro-gun as well. If a pro-CCW candidate is elected in one or both of those districts, that will help in getting the required 22 votes in the senate to override a Doyle veto.

Right now the thinking is that there are enough votes to override, and that Doyle may just do nothing with the bill to avoid stirring up the legislature while he tries to reach a concensus on a number of issues. If he does nothing with the bill after passage in both houses, it automatically becomes law after thirty days.

In the past, the efforts of the WCCA have been focused on getting people to write their legislators. We've been doing this at gun shows, where we have blank pre-stamped postcards for people to address and sign. Once we get a green light from "those in the know," we'll start the gun shows again and put pressure on the legislators.

Everyone concerned with the bill seems to feel very positive about its chances. One veteran gun lobbyist said he thought it would pass by June. That was before the delay, but the same optimism is holding, even if it may be September before the bill is introduced.

We've waited 130 years to get legalized concealed carry in Wisconsin. If we have to wait a few more months, and if that wait increases our chances of getting the bill passed, then the wait will have been worth it.
 

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We are in a similar boat in Ohio. Our House keeps passing it, our Senate eventually almost passes a watered down version, and our governor promises to veto if they ever do. And they are all Republican controlled offices! Quit acting like liberals! :evil:
 

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Minnesota passed its right to carry bill. It used to be the sherrif's discretion whether to grand a CC permit, now it must be issued barring a criminal or mental history.
 

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I read through the Ohio Senate's version of a "Conceal and Carry" bill. It's more like a permit to want to conceal and carry...

Eliminates the current "Affirmative Defenses"
Invalidates the peaceable journey through School Safety Zones.

It eliminated the pre-defined font size for business owners who wish to prohibit CCW in there businesses, thus allowing a 6 point font on a 3"x5" card posted not posted in an obvious place. Allowing EASY VIOLATIONS.

They re-enacted the open carry in a car, but state that if you show your gun you can be charged with disorderly conduct, therefore if you take the gun off prior to entering the vehicle you are guilty of disorderly conduct, but if you enter the vehicle thenn you are guilty of a violation of the ccw law.

Oh, and you aren't allowed to carry the firearm in a vehicle with a person under the age of 18, child or not.

Thank God that the House is trying to fight for us, for the most part.
 

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Don't forget everything that was previously misdemeanor is felony now.

It is my understanding that the property owners can ban even locking the weapon up in your car in the parking lot as a felony punishable offense.

Don't forget the immediate notification to law enforcement when pulled over. Another felony. What if you get scared or upset at being pulled over. I understand it being punishable, but a felony?

I swear they don't want us gun wackos voting any longer. It's a conspiracy.
 
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