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Hey, guys. I'm new to the forum and the sport, so I don't know too much about it. I've been borrowing my friends' shotguns to shoot trap at the gun range and have become interested in the sport. I'm short on money so I need a VERY cheap shotgun for shooting trap.

I am looking mostly for a used (because new would cost too much) semi-auto or possibly an over/under. Quality isnt that bad an issue: I just need something that shoots decently.

Thanks and you guys can count on me to post a ton more in the future, asking you more stupid questions.
 

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What is your budget? That will be the biggest determining factor. Also, do you want a gun that is set up for trap, or just a gun you could use to shoot trap (or skeet, or sporting clays) with?

The reason I ask *that* is because most trap-specialized guns are expensive. The cheapest I can think of off the top of my head, brand new, is the Remington 870 Wingmaster Classic Trap. It's a pump, and it's $775 or so brand new.

That said, pumps are going to be the cheapest option for you, but I don't know if you're open to buying a pump shotgun.

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I dont have a lot of money as I am still in school, so my budget it around 300 dollars. :(

My trap team doesnt allow pump shotguns, only semi's or over/unders. I'm not looking to buy anything new as that is way too expensive.
 

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If you look around, you may be able to find a used 1100 or 11-87 trap for around $450 or $500. I doubt you will find anything worth having for $300, except for an 870 express which is a pump. Keep saving your money, you will be much happier with what you buy for a little more. Thats strange that they will let you use semi autos, but not pumps.
 

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My trap team doesnt allow pump shotguns
Somewhat O/T but I would be intersted to know why, I have never heard of anything like that and any reason behind it escapes me; and I have been shooting trap as my main shooting activity, steadily, since 1969.

Pump shotguns have been used in trapshooting in the U.S. and Canada since the 1890's.
 

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I doubt you'll be able to find a reliable autoloader or O/U for $300.

Junk, possibly...but a decent gun, not likely.
 

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No pumps for Trap? That's sacrilege!

I personally do not prefer either pumps or autos for Trap for various reasons, but I see absolutely no reason for baning a pump and not an auto. Probably been more trap shoots won up untill say 25 years ago with a Model 12 Winchester than all other guns combined. A Model 12 IS a pump, as is the '97 and 870. 3 very common much used Trap guns. I used to shoot Trap with a guy that had an old single shot, the brand escapes me this second, keyboard amnesia, you know. :roll: Anyway, one of the old timers. He ran a few straights with it. A Model 37 Winchester, but they are getting to be a collectors item, or something similar would get you shooting and it would be a hinge gun to boot. A field 870 is no more of a Trap gun than that either. Yup, it was an Iver Johnson. I can't imagine one costing over a couple hundred bucks tops. Another idea, and this is cheapo to the max. My son once had a single shot Baikal that he gave $69 for brand new. It wasn't anything to write home about, but shoot it did. Unless you just luck into something, $300 isn't going to get you much of a Trap gun today. :cry:

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Sorry, but the person that decides the rules for your trap team is a moron and an idiot. The *only* thing I can think of is that he wants to discourage people who don't have a lot of cash to join.

Autoloaders are usually unwelcome on trap fields because you throw hulls at the guy to your right. That's why they make shell catchers, but it's not the same.

To echo the others, you are not going to find a reliable autoloader for $300, even used.

If I were you I'd get the rules changed. Get a hard answer as to why they don't allow pumps, but allow autoloaders.

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Alright, I called my coach and she says that pumps arnt allowed because they "throw off your aim." I personally would like an over/under because they are so reliable, but thats just me.

She wants everyone to have a semi-auto and is hesitant to allow over/unders. She wants to see us shoot before we can use over/unders. I'm having private lessons on Thursday for the second time. The last time my instructor dude have a ****** with a broken sight that can easily be fixed. It was pretty worn so mabey he will be interested in selling it?
 

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Stormtrooper30 said:
Alright, I called my coach and she says that pumps arnt allowed because they "throw off your aim." I personally would like an over/under because they are so reliable, but thats just me.

She wants everyone to have a semi-auto and is hesitant to allow over/unders. She wants to see us shoot before we can use over/unders. I'm having private lessons on Thursday for the second time. The last time my instructor dude have a ****** with a broken sight that can easily be fixed. It was pretty worn so mabey he will be interested in selling it?
:shock: Wow. I'd find a new coach.

Pump action shotguns have a long and rich history of competition victories in American trapshooting. How many trophies has your coach (and her semi-auto) come home with?

I own several trap guns, including pumps, semi-autos, and competition grade single barrels. The least expensive trap grade gun I could recommend would be a used Remington 870 trap for around $350. A used Remington 1100 trap would be around $500, and a used Browning BT99 single barrel trap will run maybe $800.

For someone starting out learning trap singles, I'd recommend the BT-99.
 

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Alright, I called my coach and she says that pumps arnt allowed because they "throw off your aim."
Ask her if she knows Tom Knapp;

http://www.benelliusa.com/player.tpl?t= ... ecord2.flv

Or has seen videos of the late Herb Parons, shooting a Win M12 pump in the 1950's.

She probably likes semiautos, herself, due to the reduced felt recoil. Many women shooters do, my wife did when she was shooting trap. At 55 and being prone to headaches, I like shooting my 1100 Classic Trap for the same reason.

I can still shoot a pump, not as well as Tom Knapp but the last time I shot in a winter skeet league for entertainment, I held a 97 average, most of the misses weren't the doubles and skeet is not my main game. I was using an old 870SA Skeet pump.

You don't say if you are shooting only singles or doubles as well. On doubles, the pump will introduce an unwelcome challenge to a new shooter, but if all you shoot are singles, there should not be an issue.

The o/u can be very reliable but they will have their issues too. I mention this from experience owning several Citori trap guns and a SKB over the years as well as 37 years of obseving these guns at many clubs. Broken firing pins, weak firing pin strikes on the bottom barrel, some have different points of impact for each barrel (never had one like that myself). When they are working fine, which the good ones will most of the time, they will get two shots away nicely and let a reloader like me save both fire shells.
 

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Alright, I called my coach and she says that pumps arnt allowed because they "throw off your aim."
Your coach has some might peculiar opinions. I doubt many on this forum would agree with her on the issue of pumps OR her not wanting her students to use O/U's.
In specifying autoloaders, she's requiring new shooters to use a gun that is probably the most complex, both in function and in using.
Not that autos aren't great guns....they are...but they would be my own personal LAST choice for new shooters.
Maybe she's not confident of her knowlege of pumps and O/U's, and how they work??
In addition, (and I've had coaching training) I'm surprised she even uses the term "aim" in talking to her classes.

Any way you look at it, she doing a disservice to her students, methinks.
 

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As code5coupe mentioned, she used the word "aim", which might have been an innocent mistake, but still says something.

Pumps would only cause difficulties getting back on target if you were shooting doubles, which it doesn't look like you are. *Normally*, I recommend a reliable, easy-to-clean autoloader to new shotgunners, as the recoil is less (usually), but to disallow pumps is dumb.

Get a new coach.

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What about the Charles Daly Trap gun? It seems to be a reasonable price.

Also, is there a retailer online that sales used shotguns? I'd prefer not to use auction sites.

Thanks for all the feedback. I dont think I will be shooting doubles, not sure though. I am going to try and talk to her about pump *******. Mabey I can convince her to let me use one.

Sorry for not posting very frequently, Ive been busy all day.
 

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I would tell your trap coach to put it where the sun don't shine. My 14 year old kid shoots a Browning BPS pump trap gun and shoots it well I mite add. That no pump thing is a crock of sh**t.
 

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I called my coach and she says that pumps arnt allowed because they "throw off your aim." ]

How in the world of Miracles could that statement be true.
I am sorry, your "Coach" har a LOT to learn about Trap shooting. I am sure you are young and try to believe older people know best, but in the case of your coach she really doesn't understand the game. Pumps were for many years were the hot gun. I have NO IDEA of how a PUMP gun is going to throw off your aim (should be ... pointing)
The gun doesn't do anything during the process of pointing or "aiming" as she said.
The Remington 870 (pump) points just about the same as an 1100 or 11-87 so her statements are basically BS. Too bad you don't have a choice of coaches.
 

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Absolutely crazy, your coach that is. Hope those autos have shell catchers, knock down pins or a rubber band on them. I watched my son shoot at State a couple of years ago and the older gentleman to his left had an 1100 throwing shells against my sons head the whole time. Didn't seem to bother him a bit he ended up with a 193, but I would have asked him to put a rubber band on it or be resquaded. Most people would have.

Rudy Etchen seemed to do OK with an 870 pump, even shooting a perfect 100 in doubles at the Grand American with one. I used an 870 in skeet and trap for a long time and a 37 before that. But I'm no Rudy Etchen LOL. A used 870 trap is the first thing I thought of in or near your price range.

Charles Daly is an importer and the name has changed hands many times over the years. At one time they were fairly decent guns especially when they imported from Miroku. Parts are getting harder to find but an older Miroku trap wouldn't be too bad if it fit and is in good shape. Not sure if that is the same one you are talking about?
 

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I went and shot my new pump today. I got a 19. That was my eighth or ninth game of trap ever. The next two were a 17 and a 22.

It must be throwing off my aim otherwise I wouldn't have missed some :D

Next she's going to say that you're only allowed to shoot #9 or #7.5 shot. #8 isn't allowed, it patterns badly and makes you miss more. :roll:

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That I'd love to hear first hand that coaches reasoning behind their pump biased advise. It sure sounds foolish to me.
 

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Ive read that some shot guns made in Turkey or Italy are very cheap and somewhat reliable. Does anyone know what brands those would be?

I was looking at the Charles Daly Superior II Trap because it is kind of cheap, but you said theyve changed names? Mabey one of their older products will cost less?
 
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