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Man, what a topic, first time to this site and I'll tell you it sure is good to see some other concerned Canadians. Does anybody know where the laws and requlations governing this country come from? What a place we live in, where they basically take our guns away, (or drive some of us into criminallity because we refuse to register them) allow ****'s to get married, turbans to be worn by the east indian mounties. Knives, (which i would be thrown in jail for IMMEDIATELY should i ever care to wear one in public dangling from MY waist) to be worn to SCHOOL of all places by the same gang. And hey, let's smoke a joint and get high while were doing it !!. After all this is Canabis... I mean Canada don't you know.. How the hell are we supposed to raise our kid's?, what do we tell them is right??, or wrong??. "Hey little buddy, don't you go looking at no gun's, cause their next to impossible to own here in Canabis don't you know. And if that kid in school with his religious sabre tries to stab and kill you, well you just turn you're cheek and walk away. Sancttity of Marrriage,, hell boy, theirs no such thing, you just go on and grow up to be a rump-wrangler, Now pass me a joint will you sonny cause this place makes me want to be a pot-head, maybe it will make it all go away"!!!!

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As a Canadian I both agree and disagree with some of your points:

1. I agree that our gun laws are terrible and need to be fixed. Registration has cost $2 billion+, when Allen Rock origionally quoted $51 million (I think, my memory is a bit hazy). They did this instead of a sex offender registry, apparently because sex offenders might not comply with it (here a hint: threaten them with jail time, just like you're doing to otherwise law-abiding Canadians right now!) The registry itself is also a joke: the head of the Hell's-Angels once successfully registered two handguns. And according to whom you talk to in the RCMP (our FBI equivalent) and other federal agencies there is a 30%-90% error rate. Here's some links with even more info:

You also know something's wrong when a majority of firearm designs are "prohibited", as are tasers and pepper spray (cause we wouldn't want a rapist or mugger to get hurt now) but most grenade launchers and howitzers are "non-restricted" (though the ammo for them is tightly controlled). Don't believe me? In the U.S. any firearm chambered for a caliber above 1/2 an inch is considered a "destructive device", unless the ATF has approved that calibre for "sporting use". There is no such rule in Canada, and no grenade launchers apear on the prohibited weapons list and most do not meet the criteria for "restricted" or "prohibited" firearms:

2. I agree that we need better rules to take weapons away from criminals (law-enforcement does a great job but are hampered by alot of laws and rulings). And no kid needs a religious sabre in school either (no matter how responsible the kid, it sets a bad precident).

3. I've got no problems with homosexual mariage between two consentual adults. People are born with varying degree's of preference to the opposite sex and the same sex (some people are really straight, others are really gay, still others are somewhere in the middle).

Ask yourself this: when you were growning up, did you make a choice to find the opposite sex attractive? No, it just happened. That said, we do have the choice of how we act on our feelings. But just as I'm straight and wouldn't want to pretend to be anything else, I would wish a gay person to pretend to be straight.

4. I'd rather not have any intoxicants at all (I've never been drunk or high), but between someone being mellow and stoned on cannibis and being drunk and possibly violent, I'd rather they were stoned. They both impair motor skills, they both kill brain cells and they both make you look and act like a moron.

I say legalize, which takes the money away from organised crime (who currently have a monopoly on distribution) by letting others deal and grow in plain sight. Then educate your kids on why getting drunk/stoned is a stupid idea.

5. Canada isn't communism. While our government has SERIOUS problems, and while you and I don't like it, it isn't automatically a communist state. There are both socialist and capitalist ellements (as well there should be), but we seem to be getting the worst from both systems: over-reach of governmental powers, corruption, unacountability, and degradation of the quality of life of the middle class.

6. While I may not agree with you on everything, I am glad that you are concerned with where we are headed as a country. :)

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Article on Canada from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

You live next door to a clean-cut, quiet guy. He never plays loud music or throws raucous parties. He doesn't gossip over the fence, just smiles politely and offers you some tomatoes. His lawn is cared-for, his house is neat as a pin and you get the feeling he doesn't always lock his front door.

He wears Dockers. You hardly know he's there. And then one day you discover that he has pot in his basement, spends his weekends at peace marches and that guy you've seen mowing the yard is his spouse. Allow me to introduce Canada. The Canadians are so quiet that you may have forgotten they're up there, but they've been busy doing some surprising things. It's like discovering that the mice you are dimly aware of in your attic have been building an espresso machine.

Did you realize, for example, that our reliable little tag-along brother ever joined the Coalition of the Willing? Canada wasn't willing, as it turns out, to join the fun in Iraq. I can only assume American diner menus weren't angrily changed to include "freedom bacon," because nobody here eats the stuff anyway.

And then there's the wild drug situation: Canadian doctors are authorized to dispense medical marijuana. Parliament is considering legislation that would not exactly legalize marijuana possession, as you may have heard, but would reduce the penalty for possession of under15 grams to a fine, like a speeding ticket. This is to allow law enforcement to concentrate resources on traffickers; if your garden is full of wasps, it's smarter to go for the nest rather than trying to swat every individual bug. Or, in the United States, bong.

Now, here's the part that I, as an American, can't understand. These poor benighted pinkos are doing everything wrong. They have a drug problem: Marijuana offenses have doubled since 1991. And Canada has strict gun control laws, which means that the criminals must all be heavily armed, the law-abiding civilians helpless and the government on the verge of a massive confiscation campaign. (The laws have been in place since the '70s, but I'm sure the government will get around to the confiscation eventually.)

They don't even have a death penalty!

And yet .. nationally, overall crime in Canada has been declining since 1991. Violent crimes fell 13 percent in 2002. Of course, there are still crimes committed with guns -- brought in from the United States, which has become the major illegal weapons supplier for all of North America -- but my theory is that the surge in pot-smoking has rendered most criminals too relaxed to commit violent crimes. They're probably more focused on shoplifting boxes of Ho-Hos from convenience stores.

And then there's the most reckless move of all: Just last month, Canada decided to allow and recognize same-sex marriages. Merciful moose, what can they be thinking? Will there be married Mounties (they always get their man!)? Dudley Do-Right was sweet on Nell, not Mel! We must be the only ones who really care about families. Not enough to make sure they all have health insurance, of course, but more than those libertines up north.

This sort of behavior is a clear and present danger to all our stereotypes about Canada. It's supposed to be a cold, wholesome country of polite, beer-drinking hockey players, not founded by freedom-fighters in a bloody revolution but quietly assembled by loyalists and royalists more interested in order and good government than liberty and independence.

But if we are the rugged individualists, why do we spend so much of our time trying to get everyone to march in lockstep? And if Canadians are so reserved and moderate, why are they so progressive about letting people do what they want to?

Canadians are, as a nation, less religious than we are, according to polls. As a result, Canada's government isn't influenced by large, well-organized religious groups and thus has more in common with those of Scandinavia than those of the United States, or, say, Iran.

Canada signed the Kyoto global warming treaty, lets 19-year-olds drink, has more of its population living in urban areas and accepts more immigrants per capita than the United States. These are all things we've been told will wreck our society. But I guess Canadians are different, because theirs seems oddly sound.

Like teenagers, we fiercely idolize individual freedom but really demand that everyone be the same. But the Canadians seem more adult -- more secure. They aren't afraid of foreigners. They aren't afraid of homosexuality. Most of all, they're not afraid of each other.

I wonder if America will ever be that cool.

Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (PA) Author: Samantha Bennett Published: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 Copyright: 2003 PG Publishing Contact: [email protected] Website:
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