[bow1up]

I am about to purchase a new O/U and its a toss up between the Yildiz, Condor Supreme, Baikal/Spartan. I am leaning toward the Yildez because they seem a little easier to come across at Academy. Two things: Does the manual safety bother anyone? Seems the auto safety would be "safer", Also are the screw in chokes readily available? I have heard the sum winchester chokes fit the Stoeger. Thanks in advance.
Allen

 

[driver36001]

hey bow,

the manual safety on an o/u is not something to worry about. most of the time, a field hunter will carry the gun open, and a club shooter will not load until a few seconds before time to fire. when i was an adult leader at 4-H and Boy Scout camp, we taught not to rely on the safety, as it is a mechanical device that can fail..... Briley actually waranties the yildiz and offers aftermarket chokes that are readily available at Academy. my Y-gun came with sk, ic, m, im, and f, so unless you want the same choke in both barrels, you probably wont need to buy any for a while.

 

[bow1up]

Thanks, driver
My opinion of the the auto safety is about the same, safe handling comes first, but it couldn't hurt to have that extra "backup". I did notice the Y-guns came with more chokes than the other brands metioned, but while I'm there I'll give the Briley chokes a look.

 

[Tbaus]

Hi,
My feelings on an automatic safety are a little exteme. I feel if someone is too dumb to know when to put a safety on then we shouldn't let them hold a gun, let alone shoot one. I beleive auto safeties were put on shotguns to fend off lawsuits against the manufacturer after a dummy shoots someone accidentally.I was raised as a kid in a NRA club and safety was drilled into my head. What I find is when I shoot my Baikal at clays I invariably forget to take the safety off right after dropping a shell in the tube and closing the gun. A bird flies, I swing the gun and then proceed to pull the trigger so much I almost fall forward. ( quite amusing to watch).. When I hunt I use a safety. When I put it on, I remember to take it off.. Don't get me started on mandatory seatbelt laws! :twisted:

 

[10gaOkie]

I agree with Tom. A shooter must know at all times the condition of his or her firearm. Wheather it is on safety or not. An automatic safety will cause problems with your habits on your other guns that do not have this feature.
Chris

 

[bow1up]

Tbaus, is see your point but I was raised "on guns" too and it was always beaten into my head that "if your finger wasn't on the trigger the safety better be on". Granted it does take more clicking while target shooting to click it on before reloading, but that was the reasoning behind my question. By no means would I rely on the auto safety only BTW.

 

[Tbaus]

Bow1up, I agree with your addage. When I shoot clays, I am standing in place with my gun open. When my turn comes, I place one or two shells in my gun and shoulder it to fire. Since I did not place the safety on, I do not think to take it off and at times I don't. When I hunt in the field, if shells are in my gun, my safety is on. When my quarry is sighted, my saftey is thumbed off as I shoulder the gun. I have two different mind-sets. I also never rely on a safety at all. My teachings were,"don't point your gun at anything you don't wish to kill", loaded or unloaded doesn't matter. I do not want an automatic safety even though I have a couple of shotguns that have it. I have yet to see a high powered rifle that has an automatic safety. That makes me glad. I truly think auto safeties were put there to stem possible lawsuits against the manufacturer. With this mindset, the manually operated safety on the Yildiz is a plus to me. When I put it on, I think to take it off. When I don't put it on, I don't think to take it off. Be well.

 

[tankerdog2002]

bow1up,

I have to toss my hat in the ring with Tbaus. Know your guns and practice safe shooting methods.

On any given practice day I will shoot different guns because I can. (You can't ever have too many shotguns.....but don't tell my wife I said that.) I don't have a problem with Baikal's Auto-Tang safety because I know it's there. If you can't remember that little item then you're not paying attention to safety details and should probably take a break and refocus. But that's just my opinion and we all know about those.

Tank