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Hi everyone,

Below are some sub-$300 - $500 guns that I believe will suit me just fine for casual skeet shooting at most 2 Saturdays out of a month, but I don't know the guality of each because I've heard very mixed reviews of them from other forums. If anyone could shine some light on these it would be great. I'm looking for new, 12ga. Semi-autos. Oh and this is my very first post on this forum, I've been shooting 1911s for years now, but a visit to a shooting fair in California this past weekend got me to want to find out everything about shotguns and skeet shooting :D Thank you all for your recommendations.

Stoeger 2000
Verona SX405
Legacy Escort
Stoeger Condor, Condor Supreme Deluxe
EAA IZH27
EAA MP153, MP153 Synthetic
 

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I'd go with the IZH 27 over and under - I know lots of casual shooters who have been very happy with them. See other posts here for detailed comments from me and others on all your suggestions.

BTW, I think shooting 20-25 times a year is more than 'casual' :)

Roger
 

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There will always be people who buy those guns just as there will always be people who drive Kias and Daihatsus.
 

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So pumper, does that mean I should hold off shooting until I can afford a Beretta 391 or Benelli? :D
 

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NO ,NO, NO,

Do not wait until you have the money for a thousand dollar gun, it will never happen. Take any gun you have, can beg, rent or borrow and go try Sporting Clays/Skeet or any game. Then buy what your pocket can afford. When you get hooked, and you will :lol: , you will find that buying shotguns is a lot easier and more affordable :wink:

I have been beaten in shoot offs by people who spent a lot less on their gun than I did :oops:

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No, it means shoot something worth the price. $500 can't buy a decent O/U but it can buy a decent auto or a real nice pump.
 

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Pumper have you ever shot the an EAA O/U or Auto? I know the answer is NO!
Only a person who has not shot the IZH27 would say:
$500 can't buy a decent O/U
The IZH27 is an excellent gun, so is the MP153. I can tell you this because I bought the MP153 for my wife and my good buddy Tom shoots the IZH27 next to me on the trap line at least once a week. And yes I have shot the gun often.
No matter what some people think you don't need to spend $800 or more on a gun to enjoy shooting that gun for the rest of your life. Anyone have a father with a sears special in the basment that still works? My father has one or two he bought from sears as a kid, little more rusty than they should be but otherwise fine.
 

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Gordon you haunt me. I have shot the O/U. The action was so stiff I had to break it over my knee to get the bottom shell out. I would say you can enjoy shooting an O/U for under $500, just not for as long as with a better gun. There is nothing less enjoyable than waiting for your smith to get hard to find parts for a broken gun.
 

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If you do some research on the forum (and maybe the old one) you will see 2 complaints with the O/U.
1) Small front bead. To fix but a Fiber bead or other after market bead
2) Stiff action. To fix work the action for a while to break it in. My buddy had his broken in just working the action while watching tv for an hour.
I have yet to hear any complaints on the quality, fit or finish of the gun.

I don't mean to haunt you but I want everyone to get both sides of the story. I really like EAA's imports. I own several, my friends own them and I think they are some of the best guns out there right now. My next shotgun will be the IZH43KH COWBOY SxS with exposed hammers. My next rifle will either be the SAIGA in .308 or the SAIGA 100 in .308 or .30-06 when they are available. All EAA imports and Russian guns. What can I say, I'm hooked on them.
 

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I am with Gordon on this one, the comment about the action being stiff is something ALL new guns suffer from, even Perazzi's that cost multo bucks, and wouldn't you rather have it stiff to begin with?

I have seen two other MINOR issues - the screw holding the trigger guard tends to back out, easily fixed, and one example, in about two dozen IZH27s I know of, had a trigger pull in the 2 digit range. Again easily fixed.

Think about it Pumper, you may like a 870 but a beginner trying to stroke a pump and get onto a second bird at the same time :roll: is not a good idea to me.

Roger
 

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I use my pump for clays and skeet, but then again I am no beginner. I'll rescind, if you like the gun and it works who am I to complain.
 

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Currently I shoot one of the following. Remington 870 Express Super Magnum (brand f'in new), Remington 870 Wingmaster 12g (older LW with 2 3/4 only chambers), Mossberg 500 12g (newer but pre ported barrel), Browning Gold Hunter 12g, or a wee 20g 1100 (okay so the last two aren't pumps but they are family items). I like the Super Magnum best. First of all it says SUPER MAGNUM right on the side, but mostly because it sucks up recoil at the range best of the pumps. None are modified.
 

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Guys, the fact is all things are relative. And, you can make a thousand analogies about cars or tools or whatever. PKLIN just wants to get started and is asking a valid question about some entry level guns. Now I'm an o/u guy, and my world of relativity begins with the used market at about the $850 range where you can find very nice 101's and even the occasional Belgium Superposed that hasn't been totally used up. To my way of thinking, thats the way to enter shotgunning and the clay sports. (although other issues come to bear - such as fixed chokes in older guns verses tubes in most new products) Among the guns cited by PKLIN (at a relatively lower cost bracket), I've looked at the Baikal's and Stoeger's. I wouldn't want to own either one. But thats just me. I want my hammer to be an Eastwing rather than a Sears. Yes, they both drive the nail in the right hands and they MAY both last as long....its just that the damn thing is I think of it being more than just a tool. Its a personal possesion which I can take pride in owning (yea, I'm a materialist). Don't think less of me for it.....and I certainly won't think less of anyone who only wants a tool out of their shotgun. Or in PKLIN's case, only wants to get started with a $500 limit. PKLIN, I've heard good things about Verona. No, I have not seen them in the flesh, which YOU must do in your search for the appropriate gun. The best way I can describe Baikal and Stoeger is....they seem crude. BUT, in the right hands they ARE a tool that can get the job done.
 

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Hi all,
This is my first time here. I started shooting skeet about three weeks ago. Man it is awesome. I have a Winchester super x 2, it is a nice gun for me. I shot a friends o/u 20ga. It is nice also. I guess if it fits wear it. :D

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Hi everyone :D

I thank you all so much for responding to my post! This is my first post at this forum so I just wanted to sit back a bit and let the post run. Just a little background... My first firearm was a Kimber series I full size stainless, so in case you think I purposely go cheap because I need to, I really don't :D My tendencies in purchasing anything in my life is quality first, customizability (President Bush try and top that new word) second, and brand last, though the brand and quality usually run together. I'm glad I started with the Kimber first because back when I got it, the name was brand new and the guns were awesome to say the least, but it wasn't cheap! I will not hesitate to spend top dollars for handguns because I've been around them a while. I hesitate with shotguns because I've never been interested in long guns until I shot a round of skeet at a shooting fair, and that was a great experience, nonetheless I still debate on whether to spend the money and get something like the Beretta 391 (Second gun I shot at the fair). I live half an hour from the nearest shooting range, and my available weekend times are stretched thin as is, so I wonder about the need to spend top dollars on a firearm I might only use once a month, if lucky. Bill, the Verona I listed was actually the third gun I tried at the fair, and I loved it! Got more clay birds with it than the Beretta or the Fabarm that cost twice more. But I'm still debating, regardless, I will not purchase used, bad experiences before with handguns. Thanks again everyone and keep them comments comin'.
 

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I recently struggled with these decisions. My boss has a Stoeger 2000 12 ga with synthetic stock. I actually like it, it points and shoots well. It has probably 1000 rounds under its belt now. The first 300 or so were flawless. It has been jamming a good bit since then. We completely stripped it the other day and found a metal bur that had formed inside the receiver. He rubbed it down with some steel wool (technical gun smith type of stuff) and it seems to be working better. He paid about $425 for it.
I wanted to get the best gun for the least $ myself, but didn't want to spend 4-500 on something that wasn't going to last. I had looked at the Wal-mart Baretta but it just didn't feel as good as the 391. I found a small gunshop in town that ordered me a 391 Urika for $695 brand spankin new. I was thrilled, and had no problem justifying the extra 200 bucks for a sweet gun that I believe will be around for my grandkids to shoot. I have no experience with the other guns listed.
 

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Hi Everyone,

Just got word that my local gunshop (that I have some connections with :D ) is selling the Beretta Urika 391 synthetic stock for $599! I'll be checking it out today! I figure after all the paper work cost, it should come out to be less than $650. We'll see!
 

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I'd hop on that like a duck on a june bug, pklin. Just make sure it is the 391 Urika and not the synthetic 3901 Wal-mart Baretta... which Wal-mart sells for $529 +/-.
 

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Not to restir the pot but what about the Lanber shotguns...Ill never do anything more than casuall shooting at the public range with a few friends and maybe nock the dust off some doves.
I think the Spanish guns look better than the Russians but what do I know. After years of Mossbergs and Remingtons I just bought my first Benelli..and it aint for no clays! :wink:
 
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