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I have recently bought a Remington 870 Express and will like to know what to expect. Been reading some comments about it and most of them are good, but some others say that there are actualy some differences betwen it and the Wingmaster besides the luxuries finishes and that they are not as realiable as they suppossed to be.Any idea will be great.
 

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MELRD,There's a valid reason for the lesser cost of the Express model, compared to the Wingmaster and it isn't the parkerized finish or cheaper wood grade.The Express model has unfinished stamped parts that have burrs that CAN cause mechanical problems. The Wingmaster has had more time and money put into the finish and wood, but most importantly the internal parts have been finished.Finished means that the a person took the time to take off the burrs on the internal working parts and see to it that they fit and function better. That extra time required to perform these tasks cost money.You will hear Express owners say that they've never experienced and function problems. I'm glad for them, but the truth is that there are Express owners that DO have function problems. The difference is that you don't hear of Wingmaster owners having as many (if any) of the amount of function problems as do the Express owners.Your Express model may function flawlessly for the rest of your life and I hope it does. I wasn't as lucky with mine. After sending it back to the factory 2 times for action malfunctions, I lost confidance in the weapon and sold it to purchase a Benelli Nova. I've had no problems with my new purchase.Good hunting, Bowhunter57
 

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Bowhunter57Thank you for your opinion. That was the kind of stuff I was looking for. Any way, I´ll let you know about the performance of my 870 as much as I can take it to the field and make an evaluation. I hope I´ll be one of the lucky ones.
 

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Now I have mine and its great. Can´t wait to take it again to the field and game some doves. Maybe it´s not as glamorous as other shotguns but it´s good looking and sized perfect for me. I don´t regret buying it.
 

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Remington sells about 500,000 shotguns per annum, and they don't seem to distinguish between internal Express parts and Wingmaster parts....at least not in their parts catalogue.This would make an excellent project for Jay. Take apart a Wingmaster and an Express and see what is different.After 200 rounds, I cannot feel any difference between a Wingmaster and an Express.More importantly, I have posted instructions on this forum as to polishing an 870, and after polishing common rubbing points the Wingmaster and Express guns perform identically. Certainly, burrs are not being polished off the gun.Gunsmith Ron, are you reading this? In your experience, can you see a difference in internal parts on these Wal-Mart grade guns? Let's say Remington makes 300,000 pumps per year? I just cannot image that they would degrade parts for the Express? Further, the whole liability issue would seem to prevent such an action? One of those issues where it would be nice to see more facts. Parts is parts, and I hate to see these issues fall into the category of "those Turkish pieces of crap" kinds of conversations.
 

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Both the express and the wingmaster are exactly the same as far as mechanical parts. The wingmaster parts are more cleaned up than the express parts. They are both 870 guns and identical in internal operation. On a wingmaster you pay for the extra steps of cleaning up the rough edges on the parts, bluing, and walnut stocks.
 

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Biggreen: Which parts are they cleaning up for rough edges? Having inspected both guns, I don't believe that Remington sells guns with rough edges on their parts. To which parts are you referring?
 
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This is for all the knuckle heads that insist that Wal Mart carries junk guns (see the term "Wal Mart grade" above). This is a ludicrous notion, and one that was recently refuted in Field and Stream. It was not an entire article in this regard, but they did mention that Wal Mart gets the same guns as everybody else does...

They sell them cheaper because they in turn get them cheaper because of their contracts and volume. Economics 101...
 
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I live within the belly of the beast. Bentonville, Arkansas is a neighboring town and I know several people (including "buyers") who work there. I have also spoken to several Wal Mart vendors regarding the subject. I assure everyone reading this post that Wal Mart does indeed purchase sub-standard merchandise.

Don't believe me? Here's a couple of examples which anyone can take time to verify:

1) Look at Fram air filters in the automotive section. Notice that the box will state "For light duty use". Know why? These filters have nowhere near the filtering capacity as a real Fram filter. Wal Mart specifies these filters because most people don't know the difference.

2) Go to your local Goodyear, B.F. Goodrich, or other tire dealer and ask if defective tires purchased at Wal Mart can be returned to the tire dealership due to defective materials or manufacture. Guess what - tires sold at Wal Mart have specific model codes which indicate less than standard quality and carry no manufacturers' warranty. If you need to return defective "name brand" tires which were purchased at Wal Mart, don't bother showing up at a tire dealership. They'll laugh at you.

This being said, I cannot say if firearms carried by Wal Mart are of poorer quality. I can however, say that I have noticed many guns at Wal Mart which exhibit an unusual amount of cost cutting. Ever notice that most of the guns in Wal Mart have very plain wood and dull bluing?

Tom
 
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I have also sold my 870 express and bought a new benelli nova, i have to say the benelli has more safety features and looks better than the 870. I cant compare reliability since i have only had the gun for a day.
 

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How can you say the Nova looks better than the 870? The Nova looks like a really big kids toy. It feels like one too.
 

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I've owned both a Wingmaster and Express. I recently sold my 30 year old Wingmaster (I needed room for a Winchester Supreme). I still own the Express.

Each year in the spring I would remove the trigger assembly from both pumps and clean them. From what I can tell the trigger assemblies are identical. Other than the wood and the parkerized finish there was not much of a visual difference on all other parts. Where I could tell a difference was in the sloppiness of the action. The 8-10 year old Express was much sloppier than the 30 year old Wingmaster and the latter was hunted with much harder. By sloppy I mean if you have a shell in the chamber and pull back and forth on the pump, the ejecter/firing pin assembly moves enough to make noise. This didn't happen with the Wingmaster. I still use the Express for turkeys and as a backup deer gun. I have never had a problem with it.
 

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I feel one must make note of the fact that a new Wingmaster is nothing like an older one. The current Wingmaster does not have the same fit and finish as some of the older models. The internals may be cleaned up a bit, but it is my understanding that Remington used to hand fit more parts (a la Ithaca) and this is less the case in recent years. Still great guns, but the new ones aren't as special as times past.
 

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Shoot the fire out of your new 870 Express, and enjoy it. You just bought off on one of the few quality bargains in the shooting world. They may not look real pretty, but they are stout, quality made shotguns. Just remember to keep that steel well oiled, as they are begging to rust. Enjoy your new shotgun.
 

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My 12-year-old son and I just started hunting last Sept (2002). Our local gunsmith recommended Remington 870s. I got 2 deer this past season and also used it for hunting snow geese in the farm lands of eastern Arkansas. The 870 express is by no means a pretty gun, but it has functioned flawlessly and gotten the job done. I've read of several people having problems with rust developing rather quickly on the gun, but I haven't had this problem.
 

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My 870 has never failed me in any way shape or form. Mabye im just lucky but I've never had any reliability or maintainence problems with it. It has adequate saftey features. The parts on it are near identical to the wingmasters. I bought mine in a deer hunting config with a leupold scope and bought a rem-choke barrel for sporting clays and use on birds. I believe that it is a great shotgun that can be used for numerous roles. It is most definently a keeper.
 
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Thanks everyone. Now I´ve been shooting mine and its working great. Just got a my new set of choke tubes and i´ll try them this week on the field shooting some clays. I´ll let you know about my performance. I´ll use the IC choke tube and I hope to perform better.

Nice shooting every one.
 
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Shoot the fire out of your new 870 Express, and enjoy it. You just bought off on one of the few quality bargains in the shooting world. They may not look real pretty, but they are stout, quality made shotguns. Just remember to keep that steel well oiled, as they are begging to rust. Enjoy your new shotgun.
I agree. I've had nothing but excellent results from my 870 express. It really is a "sleeper" value, and more reliable than the price would expect. I've run at least 1000 rounds through mine (many of them 1oz slugs) w/o a single problem. A friend's Mossberg wasn't as stout - one day not too long ago he cycled the action and a bunch of parts flew out. (I've never seen that before.)

I'm really impressed with the accuracy - I've tagged stationary clays (the red ones make good targets!) at 75 yards with a slug. Not bad, not bad at all.

My advice: If it makes you happy, enjoy it. I do. 8)
 

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I think the 870 vs. Mossy vs. 1300 debate will probably go on until one of the three quits producing shotguns. I've owned all three, and can honestly say that each one has advantages over the other. I always go back to the 870 because of my law enforcement experience with Remingtons. They seem to get smoother and more reliable, albeit ugly with age.
 
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I have a Remington 870. Mine is black synthetic stock and forearm. I love it. I've not had a problem with it yet. About every time I go to Walmart, I pick up a pack of shells and come home and target shoot. I used to love target shooting with my rifle. But I have grown to love my shotgun. I've found that if you weave a little, you can still hit your target. Have fun with yours.
 
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