My 12-year-old son and I just started hunting last Sept (2002). Our local gunsmith recommended Remington 870s. I got 2 deer this past season and also used it for hunting snow geese in the farm lands of eastern Arkansas. The 870 express is by no means a pretty gun, but it has functioned flawlessly and gotten the job done. I've read of several people having problems with rust developing rather quickly on the gun, but I haven't had this problem.