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For 16 yard trap, 1oz of #8 at 1180 fps; for handicap, 1-1/8 oz of #7-1/2 at 1225 fps. On the green dusters.... I tried them once several years ago. They loaded fine, but after a couple hours, some of the crimps started to open; maybe 20% of the shells. I never had that happen with Winchester, PC, or Claybuster wads. I had only loaded a few boxes of shells with them, so I gave away the rest of the 1,000 that I had bought. The guy I gave them to loaded some Gold Medals (I had loaded AA's) and he had the same problem. Haven't tried them since - anybody else ever have the problem??
 
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