[dogchaser37]

If I could only reload one hull for the duration of my career, hands down, give me Federal Papers.

They run so smooth through the machine, all the same length and they crimp so consistently nice......

I know, I know they only last for two or three loads......who cares, I'm not looking for a long term relationship, I just want to shoot some clays. Besides they smell so damn good after you fire them!!

 

[dogchaser37]

Gotcha cdb, most of us are a little longer in the tooth than we probably want to be!!

Next best thing are Federal 16 gauge hulls with the paper basewad. I have a bunch of those and about 1000 12 ga. papers loaded and ready to go for the winter 5 Stand league.

We'll see how many papers make it for the 3rd firing before the pin holes start!

 

[dogchaser37]

They are definitely more time consuming to produce. I watched a video that someone provided on the production of these paper hulls and it was very revealing on why they must charge more for them. We can argue how much more but the fact is that they are not as quick to make as plastic ones.

I saw that video too. Really interesting.

 

[dogchaser37]

the brass on them takes sizing super easy too.
i got shheeze 2800-3-K papers loaded right now with the old 12-C1 wad and green-dot.
i sort of hoard them since i got no more wads and i don't really want to use anything else in them.

I like that Federal 12C1 wad....another component that I miss using.

 

[dogchaser37]

You can put them in the oven at 150 degrees (my wife's oven is a measured 145 degrees on the "Warm" setting) to redistribute the wax and take the swelling out of the hulls. I tried it with 75 once-fired Federal hulls last week, leaving them in the oven for an hour and a half, and it totally removed the swelling. I was surprised that there was little to no odor when doing this.

Or you can use one of these hull conditioners:

 

[dogchaser37]

Some things just don't translate to the written word. It's like perfume and pretty women.

Without the heartache!!

 

[dogchaser37]

I wish threads like this were never started, I just ordered 30 boxes of them. View attachment 66296


cdb

Mission accomplished.........besides its a lot more fun than.......Can I substitute Cheddite primers for WInchester primers?!! Hack, gag close the lid on the laptop!!

 

[dogchaser37]

Nah, those aren't the original 12C1's. Similar but the overpowder gas seal is tapered up towards the shot cup not parallel and no ribs in the shotcup.

Here's a black & white photo from the Lyman 4th.

 

[dogchaser37]

Attempted to load some more Federal paper hulls today. The load worked well as far as stack height, crimp, etc, but kept having malfunctions. Now and then a hull would not drop down into sizer, going down just far enough to screw up sequence of primer seating, powder and shot drops. The other problem was the wad guide would snag on the hull edge, causing it to collapse down before the wad could be inserted. Between the two malfunctions.......and sorting it out with getting powder and shot drops back into sequence (after having to clean up numerous spills), I began thinking I'm not cut out to run a progressive loader.

Had been thinking these were once fired hulls, but that may not be the case. Some hulls had spent primers protruding a bit......far enough they would not pass into the sizer/deprimer, and edges somewhat frayed. The cone shaped expander on the depriming pin arm does not clean them up as well as the spreader on my Texan does. Could use it but do not have a cone shaped crimp starter for it and the 6 point starter does a poor job on them.

All things considered, I may be forced to give up on the whole lot of them. A good sized trash bag full.

True once fired papers, usually aren't very frayed and the spent primers don't back out, at least not on any I have seen. Never had a once fired paper hull that wouldn't drop into the collet. Did shot get into the collet or between the collet fingers and the base?

That case conditioner I showed in #28 is a bit slow to use when you have a 1000 hulls but, it stops any problems at the wad quide.