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Gun Fitting at Perazzi in Brescia Italy - 27 & 28 Sept 2011

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#1 ·
I did this write up because I couldn't find any recent information about fitting experience at the Perazzi factory. I think the information might help some folks make an informed decision about buying a custom fitted Perazzi shotgun.

I had the opportunity to visit the Perazzi factory in Botticino Mattina on 27 & 28 September 2011 to gun fit a MX8 for bunker trap. Specifications included a lightweight 29.5inch length, fixed choke barrels, glove fit with adjustable comb, no wood upgrade. My traveling companion was a 70-year-old gentleman that ordered a MX2000/8 with similar specs plus upgraded wood.

Our plane landed in Milan Malpensa Airport (MXP) at about 7am, 26 September. Took the fast rail service Malpensa Express train to Milan Central Station in Milan that took about 50 minutes.

From Milan Central Railway Station we took at 46min train to Brescia. From the train station, it was 15euro taxi ride to the hotel Villa Fenaroli Palace Hotel (http://www.booking.com/VillaFenaroliPalace). This hotel is about 3.4km to the Perazzi factory and was recommended Ms Bianca from Perazzi. I did some research on the internet and this was the closest one that could be booked online. I booked the cheapest room from 26th to 29th for a total of 285euros.

We arrived at the hotel at 1.30pm and unpacked. There is great wifi connection on the 1st floor. 2nd floor internet access is via ethernet cable.

After breakfast at 830am, we took the back door out of the hotel and walked about west, then north to the factory. That took about 40-50min via the iPhone GPS.

At the factory gate, we buzzed an intercom and were granted access to the main entrance. Boutique was on the left, we could see the factory floor about 20 meters from the front door. The showroom with all the shotguns is on the right after reception. The guns are all locked up though. Opening hours are 8am-12pm and 1pm to 5pm. They are closed at lunchtime. We then met with Ms Bianca that we corresponded with and she led us to meet the master gun fitter.

The rest are in point form:

1. He took a look at me and proceeded to setup a try gun with my MX8 barrels and receiver. I was surprised that the receiver was silver but he mentioned that ALL MX8s in Italy are silver now (different from the brochures). Personally I don't really mind that it was in silver. I'm buying the gun for shooting, not so much for aesthetics.

2. I put the try gun on and was surprised how well it felt. My trigger finger felt right. The LOP felt right. By the way, LOP was shorter than my forearm. I closed my eyes, put the comb to my cheek, opened my eyes and I was looking straight down the barrel. He mentioned that balance of the gun will be shifted behind the hinge pin, majority bunker shooters prefer it that way. After using stock MX8s, I know what he means, it's slightly more tiring when the gun is centered on the hinge pin, one is more prone using left forearm. By the way, both Ms Bianca and the Perazzi master gun fitter possessed good working English so we could nail finer details without much effort.

3. We brought the guns to the firing range to check POI and alignment. 1st shot was spot on 70/30 and 2nd shot very slightly left. Turns out it's common for right hand shooters to shoot a little left on the 2nd shot. I asked about shooting on the trap range and found out there's no tryout on the trap range. I was quite disappointed with that but also realized that even with the number of customers who were at the factory, I didn't hear any shots coming from the range.

4. We then went to the room where they kept the wood. My choices were quite limited due to the larger block needed for the glove fit stock. But I ended up a wood grain I liked.

5. We went back to the area where we met the gun fitter and looked at a selection of forearms. For bunker trap, we only had 2 types (with 2 sizes each) to choose from.

6. We were then offered to come back the next day in the morning at 10am to do a last tryout with the gun done up with the actual forearms and stock. I was surprised, I had read the process took only a day. Thank God I factored an extra day just in case.

7. After that, we went to the boutique and saw that Perazzi had new shooting glasses not mentioned in the online catalogs. They had re-branded Pilla shooting glasses with 2 lenses. Not sure about the type but it had a bayonet temple. We then took a walk back to the hotel (wasn't too difficult in 27c weather).

8. We came back the next morning at 930am. Ms Bianca took us to see the guns. It was awesome. The MX8 was 99% done up, with the selected wood and all (no checkering yet). I lifted it up and put it to my cheeks, it felt really good but felt it was a bit odd when I swung the gun. Ms Bianca saw that and mentioned the balancing will be done later.

9. We went to the range to try the POI and it was about the same as the 1st day. Spot on 70/30 on the 1st shot and slightly left on the 2nd.

10. After the final fitting, we left the next morning on the early train. Had to get the hotel to book at 6.15am taxi as our flight in Milan was 11.55am.

That's about as detailed as I can get. Hope the information helps.

Best
Wesley
 
#3 ·
Interesting post!

Did the fitter actually hit the final try gun dimensions after just "looking at you" or was there an adjustment process before the final fit was achieved?

Two thoughts occur to me: 1) if he did it on the first try after just a look, that would speak highly of his experience; and, 2) I think I'd find it kind of anticlimactic to go for a fitting and have it happen in one quick step. :roll:
 
#5 ·
Wesley:

Great information to have. I didn't have the time or extra money to go to Italy for a fitting so when I custom ordered my new MX8L I had the stock maker who fitted my current gun, a Blaser F3 Sporting, lazar copy the dimensions and I sent them to Italy with my other specifications for my gun. I'm hoping it will be a good fit. (I'm not that hard to fit as far as drop & pitch & cast & LOP etc.)

If I had my choice I would love to have done it the way that you did.
 
#6 ·
Hi there!

The Chris Potter video was one of the few references I had about Perazzi. I also was thoroughly convinced about gun fitting after reading Mr Rollin Oswald's Stock Fitter's Bible and Mr Derek Partridge's articles on Perazzi at http://www.bunkershooting.com/DereksCorner_1.html . I figured that since this was the only gun I was going to get I might as well get it done right.

I had a very tight budget (time & cash) for the 4 days I spent at Brescia. Excluding the air ticket that was sponsored by my brother's air miles, I spent less than 500 euros including meals, hotel stay (free breakfast!) and food. There's a McDonald's about 1-2km west of the hotel on the main highway.

Oldskeeter, the exact process on gun fitting was roughly 2 steps. He took a look at me and went to his work bench, spent about 3-5 minutes setting up the try gun, asked me to put it on, looked at my eye from the end of the barrel. At that point, the gun felt 'right' already. He took the gun, and fiddled for another minute adjusting it for my eye. Indeed quite anti climatic, but I don't mind nor care, as long as it works. After the test shot he mentioned shaving off the stock a bit to accommodate my cheeks.

Jerry, I'll update in about 1-2 months when it arrives and see how it works out.

I didn't take a lot of pictures at the fitting but here's some of them.

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Best
Wes
 
#8 ·
Wesley,

Thank you for a very interesting report. It is a little surprising that you didn't have a chance to shoot targets but the fitter has probably fitted so many guns that little more than a glance at you was needed to choose stock dimensions that would be very close to what you need.

I hope you will report when your gun arrives and you shoot at targets.
 
#10 ·
Hi all,

Thanks guys, I will update this thread when the gun gets here, will take quite a while. It's been a real privilege to visit them and get a proper gun fit. I've handled M16s, standard Berettas & Perazzis so to finally get something that I could just slip into instead of contorting my neck, etc was a godsend.

Boxbirder, I am really sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you. I happened to meet a lady champion pigeon shooter (American) at the factory, and from the way she described the sport it seemed you guys absolutely need a even more lively gun compared to bunker trap.

To be honest, I had the impression they were really stretched out at work. I sincerely hope they won't perform the same mistake in transporting the wrong gun, I live in the far east, it would be crazy to have it sent back.

Best
Wes
 
#15 ·
SWSportsman said:
Thanks for the report Wesley. Very interesting.

Couple of questions though. What does "glove fit" refer to? I've never seen that term applied to a shotgun. Also, are you sure the finish on the receiver was silver? I would think that nickle or nitride would be more likely.
Hi there,

You're right! It's a nickle finish, I stand corrected.

About the glove fit, clearer pictures can be seen here.

http://www.sharpshooter.se/aeupl/img/Pe ... 11JPEG.jpg

viewtopic.php?f=110&t=256669

It's actually quite comfortable if custom fitted properly. What's great is that you don't have to guess where to place the palm. By the way, Ms Bianca highly recommended that we made a trip to the factory for glove fitting.

Best
Wes
 
#17 ·
Hi!

I'm completing the write up with this report, however I can't seem to post pictures. If someone can help me I can post up shots of the accessories and the shotgun itself:

1. On 25th October 2011, we received an email from the freight forwarder in Italy informing us that Perazzi was ready to ship. From our 1st contact with Perazzi on 21st July 2011, it took approximately 3 months (including the August holiday) from start to shipping. The manufacture of the gun was faster than I had anticipated. However, the barrel was a standard trap gun 29.5inch 1.53kg with fixed chokes so it was already in stock when I ordered, Perazzi did not have to fabricate a completely new barrel.

2. The shotgun arrived, cleared customs and was delivered to the gun club armory in early November but I was unable to use it because the missus had just given birth. However, I had some time to check the gun and accessories. Included in the package were, Perazzi stickers for the barrel, gun grease, manual, stackers for the adjustable comb, Perazzi branded snap caps, large & small hex screw drivers, 2x V springs and 2x firing pins.

3. I was using the club MX8 prior to this gun. The club MX8 is a stock gun with a longer LOP and non adjustable stock. I was surprised that the 2 MX8s were very different creatures, especially with regards to balance. The new MX8 also felt more compact and lively compared to any gun I've ever handled. I felt that I needed to work less hard to get it pointed to the place I wanted. Overall the new gun did affect my shooting style and I have to make some minor but important changes.

4. Today 8th December I shot with the new MX8, I find it easier to swing from dead start to end. In fact I feel the swing speed has slightly increased with the same swing strength. This allowed me to shorten the lead considerably (I use the swing through method). This is important, I felt 'more connected' to the target. I also did not feel as tired as I usually do after 3 details.

5. As mentioned, the new MX8 shoots 70/30 or 80/20. I had to change my sight picture from the club MX8 as the POI was probably 60/40. This was another minor but critical change. Thew new MX8 was slightly more forgiving especially for the straight aways as I could float the clay slightly higher and see the break over the gun as opposed to under the gun.

6. After 1 detail, I experimented with pulling my left arm closer to me and found that I could increase the swing speed without compromising control. This is very surprising as most other guns would sacrifice one for the other.

7. A few other details I noticed/liked. I requested for a red case, and it was changed at no extra cost. I was pleased that the wood had a matte finish, I don't like a glossy finish. Closing the gun is difficult because it's so new but the Perazzi supplied grease helps.

8. Overall I am extremely pleased with the results. I have been shooting bunker for less than a year before embarking on this journey to acquire a Perazzi. There were times that I had doubts if a properly fitted gun could help with the sport, I am glad that my doubts were unfounded. Only thing I could have wished was to have the gun lighter in construction but if Perazzi has determined that this is the lightest gun possible for trap without compromising on recoil then so be it.

Best
Wesley
 
#18 ·
Wesley:

WOW, great report and so glad you have your new MX8 now. Sounds like it was worth the effort to visit the factory. My MX8L will be in my hands by 12/12/11. I am eager to test mine out as well. Won't be long now. I ordered it on July 8th and it will be here in a little over 4 months. Not bad considering that the month of August is a holiday in Italy and Perazzi practically shuts down in August.
 
#19 ·
Wesley: Enjoy the honeymoon. When it ends , don't blame that fine piece of Italian tin. :wink:
 
#24 ·
sernv99 said:
well what I meant was if you had ordered specific choke constrictions or a specific bore diameter (.740, .736, etc.), did the barrels mic out to what you ordered?
I am not sure to be honest but they are know for 100% customization. So if requested they probably would have. I didn't specify choke restrictions etc because I was specifically looking for a bunker gun that had a very specific zone where the target was going to be broken and I assumed they know the correct choke.

Best
Wes
 
#25 ·
Here are some images of the Perazzi showroom & factory, gun after fitting and delivery. I beg your pardon if I get the terminology wrong, I am not 100% familiar with some items.

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This the showroom. The guns are locked. Many different types, gauges, styles were displayed.

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Factory floor. Very clean, very quiet. On the left corner, you can see the red barrier/table where the uncompleted guns are shown to the customers.

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Gun shown to me after the 1st day of gun fitting. The stock was already almost done sans minor adjustments, balancing and lacquer. I was impressed at the speed.

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Arrival of the gun. Came in a red case that I specifically requested instead of the silver one.

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Items included a red pouch with manual, owners paper. Also hex screw driver for the adjustable stock, gun grease & stacking rings to vary the height of the stock.

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This one is for tightening/taking the stock out.

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Extra set of V springs and firing pins for top and bottom.

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My MX8 is known as a MX8-PT. I'm not sure what PT stands for. Barrel weight is very light at 1.5kg as I had requested a very light gun. Total weight of gun is 3.8kg. Choke is .7mm and 1.0mm. Interestingly enough, due to gunfit (or whatever reason) the recoil seems to be better than the stock medium weight MX8 club gun that I used.

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I didn't notice it at first but I realized this is how they lightened the barrels. The circled oval part has an empty space between the barrels. Normal weight barrels have it filled.

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Opened gun no. 1

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Opened gun no. 2

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Close up on glove grip no. 1. They work very well but requires a different hold. However, the hands and trigger finger are spot on every time. I don't have to worry about the right 'hold' every time I mount the gun.

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Close up of glove grip no. 2

That's all. Hope the pictures/information was useful.

Have a good week!

Wes