[Tomcat65]

Hello,

I am going to travel to San Antonio this October for the NSCA Nationals to try out different guns. I would like your opinions or suggestions on what guns I should look out for, considering I will only be there for two full days.

My budget is around 15-20k, and I shoot 70 percent skeet and 30 percent sporting clays. So far, I am considering the following options

• Krieghoff K80 (Parcours, Parcours-X, or Pro Sporter)
• Zoli XL-EVO
• Blaser FBX
• Kolar

I have ruled out Beretta because a few guys at the range had bad experiences with their guns and had to send them in for repairs. I've also read about several issues with the DT11, and from what I hear, they do not have the best customer service.

I am also eliminating Perazzi due to concerns about the longevity and the use of soft soldering in their barrels. Since I don't have the budget for a fully custom Perazzi, I don't see much merit in pursuing Perazzi anyway.

Given that I will have the opportunity to try the guns above,I am primarily looking for your opinion on the guns' longevity and customer service. One shooter at the range, who had a Kolar, switched to the K80 and mentioned that Kolar's customer service had declined. I am curious if others have had similar experiences. For the amount I am spending, good customer service is a priority for me.

I have also considered CG for this reason, as they are known for their lifetime warranty and customer service. However, the consensus seems to be that CG is below the brands mentioned above, even though CG does look very nice.

As others have said, if you will be at Nationals, you can probably try them all. I’ve had the opportunity to shoot most of the ones on your list though the Blazer was a FX3. They are all great IF they fit you and if you like the swing and the weight. Currently, I have a Z Sport MR and couldn’t be happier. I am using it exclusively for SP and have about 10K rounds through it so far. That said, there’s always a shiny new toy on the horizon🤣

 

[Coach Super-X]

While I have seen a lot of people try it over the years, I think it is silly to think you can pick out the perfect gun by seeing/shooting a bunch of them for a day or two. I would buy the best lightly used MX8, Parcours, Zoli, etc., in the dimensions I want and shoot it for a while. If it does not have an adj. comb, have one added, then fit the gun yourself. I don't think anyone can find your perfect gunfit in a day or two of fitting. Well, actually they can, but it will be perfect only for a short time because our gunfit needs change over time as we shoot more and more.

Then when you sell it you don't get clobbered so badly. Buying a new high-end gun usually results in a good clobbering when you realize a few years later that you actually want something else.

 

[xsshooter]

A few questions:

How long have you been shooting

How many rounds a year do you average

What are you currently shooting, and how long have you been shooting it

What other guns have you shot in the past, and why did you move on from them

 

[icyclefar]

My budget is around 15-20k, and I shoot 70 percent skeet and 30 percent sporting clays. So far, I am considering the following options

• Krieghoff K80 (Parcours, Parcours-X, or Pro Sporter)
• Zoli XL-EVO
• Blaser FBX
• Kolar

If you are shooting all gauges for skeet then you are not going to reach nirvana unless you have a two barrel carrier set with everything matched weight and balance.

The two makers where that can be done the easiest are Kolar and Krieghoff. I have owned and shot both, and I'm currently shooting the K-80.

I had wished more than anything that I could have stayed with Kolar. The gun is both built like a tank, and designed in such a way that a weekend gunsmith like myself could handle most any issue. The Kolar was the best balanced gun I had ever shot. During the time I owned it I had nothing but excellent customer service from them.

An opportunity popped up to buy a K-80, and I knew when I saw it that I could buy the gun, shoot it for a bit and if I did not like it that I could sell it off for a profit. As it turned out, I sold the Kolar instead. The reality was that the factory Krieghoff stock dimensions just fit me better.

If you lean towards Krieghoff, and as a skeet shooter I would only consider K-80. The standard K-80 and Pro Sport barrels are the only ones that you can create a true carrier barrel set with, and the only ones that allow adjustment for convergence between the top and bottom barrels.

 

[Shed]

Hello,

I am going to travel to San Antonio this October for the NSCA Nationals to try out different guns. I would like your opinions or suggestions on what guns I should look out for, considering I will only be there for two full days.

My budget is around 15-20k, and I shoot 70 percent skeet and 30 percent sporting clays. So far, I am considering the following options

• Krieghoff K80 (Parcours, Parcours-X, or Pro Sporter)
• Zoli XL-EVO
• Blaser FBX
• Kolar

I have ruled out Beretta because a few guys at the range had bad experiences with their guns and had to send them in for repairs. I've also read about several issues with the DT11, and from what I hear, they do not have the best customer service.

I am also eliminating Perazzi due to concerns about the longevity and the use of soft soldering in their barrels. Since I don't have the budget for a fully custom Perazzi, I don't see much merit in pursuing Perazzi anyway.

Given that I will have the opportunity to try the guns above,I am primarily looking for your opinion on the guns' longevity and customer service. One shooter at the range, who had a Kolar, switched to the K80 and mentioned that Kolar's customer service had declined. I am curious if others have had similar experiences. For the amount I am spending, good customer service is a priority for me.

I have also considered CG for this reason, as they are known for their lifetime warranty and customer service. However, the consensus seems to be that CG is below the brands mentioned above, even though CG does look very nice.

While at the National Shooting Complex go to Cole Fine guns and buy a Zoli. You’ll never have to worry about reliability nor service.

 

[Pine Creek/Dave]

Sir,

If you have the money take a good look at the Boss O/U, you will no be disappointed.

all the best,

Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith/Westley Richards Man

 

[oneounceload]

Sir,

If you have the money take a good look at the Boss O/U, you will no be disappointed.

all the best,

Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith/Westley Richards Man

Is BOSS actually MAKING the gun, or just putting the last few file strokes so they can put their name on it?

 

[Pine Creek/Dave]

oneounceload,

Boss still makes about 90% of their gun in house, the trigger I believe are subcontracted to some company that is making their Lard/L.C. Smith type triggers for them, however they are very closed mouth about just who is making their SST for them. They maybe making it in house also, however they always used a version of the Lard/L.C. Smith SST under their own Patent, they same way Westley Richards does for both their double guns and dangerous big game rifles..

all the best,

Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith/Westley Richards Man

 

[Tinknocker]

Isn’t the purdey sporter also farmed out to Rizzini or someone

 

[tossedsaladscrambledeggs]

Please point me in the direction of the Boss o/u's in the $15-20k range 😌

 

[Skeet_Man]

Two important questions before recommendations can be given:

-What are you shooting now, presuming you're comfortable with it?
-What are your plans for skeet and sporting? Club shooter, leagues, registered, subgauge shooting (tubes, carrier barrel, barrel sets), ect.

Zoli is almost certainly the best value for the $ of any competition grade shotgun available today, esp on the used market.

 

[JNW]

I hav a Perazzi with 90,000 shells thru it. These other guns haven’t been around enough. I was shooting with Miss Kroeghoff herself when her gun broke. More Olympic shooters use Perazzis when they have to buy their own guns.

That's ridiculous. As you know every brand of gun can and will break at some point - they are just machines. Krieghoff has been around longer than Perazzi and Zoli has won National and World titles. Matthieu Delmas from France may well be the best sporting shooter in the world and he has shot a Zoli for years. Blasers are also shot by several top shooters here in the US and have an excellent reputation. The most popular gun among the top sporting shooters in the US is Krieghoff and Kolars are super popular in skeet, even with only making a few hundred guns a year. I believe DT11s are right behind Krieghoff in popularity among the pros. Any of these guns would be an excellent choice and they all have pluses and minuses.
A custom Perazzi is a great idea as long as your don't mind the 1 to 1.5 year wait.

 

[RTI4444]

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Zoli Z sport, DT11, Perazzi MX8 or HT, K80, Kolar, Blaser F3 (it’s a better value than FBX I think), CG Invictus…all great guns. Try them all if you can.

The guys in my shooting group have one of each of those, except the Kolar. All great guns, get the one that feels and works the best for you. (Mine is a HT)

 

[dallen749]

That's ridiculous. As you know every brand of gun can and will break at some point - they are just machines. Krieghoff has been around longer than Perazzi and Zoli has won National and World titles. Matthieu Delmas from France may well be the best sporting shooter in the world and he has shot a Zoli for years. Blasers are also shot by several top shooters here in the US and have an excellent reputation. The most popular gun among the top sporting shooters in the US is Krieghoff and Kolars are super popular in skeet, even with only making a few hundred guns a year. I believe DT11s are right behind Krieghoff in popularity among the pros. Any of these guns would be an excellent choice and they all have pluses and minuses.
A custom Perazzi is a great idea as long as your don't mind the 1 to 1.5 year wait.

Truth on they all break! A buddies Blaser is opening on 2nd shot, another buddies DT-11 is in need of a repair of some sort, I had 2 Kolars and at times both were in for repairs, my Perazzi is out getting the rib soldered this week.

My Perazzi is balanced at the mid point point between my hands (4mm in front of the hinge pin. Wood was selected by Perazzi to achieve the proper balance, and I couldn't happier with the choice they made. Yes, it's a wait, but for me worth it!

Have fun trying them all out!

 

[Tinknocker]

That's ridiculous. As you know every brand of gun can and will break at some point - they are just machines. Krieghoff has been around longer than Perazzi and Zoli has won National and World titles. Matthieu Delmas from France may well be the best sporting shooter in the world and he has shot a Zoli for years. Blasers are also shot by several top shooters here in the US and have an excellent reputation. The most popular gun among the top sporting shooters in the US is Krieghoff and Kolars are super popular in skeet, even with only making a few hundred guns a year. I believe DT11s are right behind Krieghoff in popularity among the pros. Any of these guns would be an excellent choice and they all have pluses and minuses.
A custom Perazzi is a great idea as long as your don't mind the 1 to 1.5 year wait.

My perazzi took four months to be made

 

[sera]

All guns break but this post is a joke. Shame.

 

[25straightmisses]

Please point me in the direction of the Boss o/u's in the $15-20k range 😌

They’re actually Turkish copies sold under the name “Bahz”.

 

[JNW]

My perazzi took four months to be made

When? Sometimes if a dealer has a gun on order it can be repurposed into a custom order gun. It seems that the wait time is a bit longer right now. Of course, just a custom stock from many stock makers can take 1 or more years. If you want a custom ordered Perazzi then nothing else will do. When I got mine years ago it took 7 months, but one of them was August while they were on break.

 

[Tinknocker]

When? Sometimes if a dealer has a gun on order it can be repurposed into a custom order gun. It seems that the wait time is a bit longer right now. Of course, just a custom stock from many stock makers can take 1 or more years. If you want a custom ordered Perazzi then nothing else will do. When I got mine years ago it took 7 months, but one of them was August while they were on break.

Ordered June ‘24 arrived September 24’, so that’s with their summer break, and no it wasn’t a repurposed in stock model. Just didn’t have hand engraving

 

[tossedsaladscrambledeggs]

They’re actually Turkish copies sold under the name “Bahz”.

Well if the ayakkabi fits 💸