[Garbi]

Would you use white out if you made an error when doing it right? You've done everything by the book but you wrote down something by looking at the S/N wrong, maybe transposing the number? Or would you line through the transaction and start over with an explanation?

I know how technical the auditors can get. I don't think they have changed much since my days in LE. They love to catch a t uncrossed or an i not dotted.

Is white out ever used in your transaction bound book? I was never a BATF agent but I knew a few that would give jello a case of nerves. There was one agent that I knew that was so strict that the dealers he audited couldn't keep coffee in their cups while he was using a microscope on their invoices, bound book, and procedures.

I suppose that a lot of things have changed since my time but human nature being what it is, some people can't handle authority. It seems to make their day when they have the upper hand and can harass someone. They don't know the definition of good judgement.

It's my understanding that agents don't do inspections, it's done by investigators (not gun carriers).

 

[Fronty Owner]

Speaking on personal experience alone

I dont remember the blue form having a serial number location.
Its my understanding that after passing the background check, a person could purchase every firearm in the store on a different transaction as long as that person never left the store.
On the other hand, if you pass your background check, leave the store to get you wallet out of the car, and return, its another background check to purchase a firearm even tho you never made a purchase on your previous visit.

The only place I have ever seen a serial number written down was on the tally book.

 

[UncleFudd]

Fronty.

Every 4473 from has a place for make, model and seriel number.
I'm not certain which form you are referring too but my new 4473 forms are white so we may be talking about two different froms.

As far as the transaction and background check, It don't matter how many times you come and go from the store. It has to do with an individual transcation. You can fill out the form for any number of guns and once the from is complete, the call is made for a background and approved, dinied or pending.
If you leave the premises for some reason before during or after it has nothing to do with the background or it's outcome.
IF you stay or leave, but decide to buy another gun(s) it will require another form and another background investigation for THAT transaction. Leaving or staying has no bearing upon the transactions.

Have a great holiday season and BTW Merry Christmas

UF

 

[drsfmd]

Fronty- that's a part of the form that you don't fill out- the dealer does... which may be why you don't remember it. It's on the bottom of page 2, below where the buyer signs, but above where the dealer signs.

 

[Fronty Owner]

I see. there apparently is more that goes on after the sale besides logging todays receipts against inventory and other business daily activities.
If a person buys multiple guns, should a 4473 form be filled out for each one?
Im not sure if the "blue form" is the 4473, but its the one the buyer fills out with name, address, criminal questionnaire.. I only remember one page.

 

[MRPOWER]

Fronty, Fudd already answered you. Multiple guns may be purchased on one 4473. There must be one background check for each 4473. That's all there is to it.

As a sidebar, Hey, Fudd, how ya been??

 

[drsfmd]

Fronty-- I don't recall the form ever being blue, but I might be wrong... it was yellow until about 3 years ago, when it became white (and went from 2 to 3 pages as part of the paperwork reduction act <snort>).

The dealer needs to fill out the serial number info, etc at the time of the sale...

The "books" are supposed to be filled out daily. There's no requirement to keep anything computerized, but most dealers do since it makes it much easier to track things.

 

[Fronty Owner]

The way it was explained to me was I could do the background check, choose the firearm(s) to purchase and as long as I remained in the shop, basically any additions would be done under the same check.
If I left, any background checks that had been done, were basically done.
dunno if its just how my regular dealer does things or if thats normal.

 

[drsfmd]

Typically you pick out the gun before you run the background check. If your dealer is doing the check first, it's probably because they have a high delay/denial rate. I'm not sure if it's permissible to do it that way or not... we never have, and I don't know of any other dealers who have either.

I'm off to the shop now... I'll catch up with this thread later.

 

[Fronty Owner]

my dealer will run a background check if you ask while your "deciding"

 

[MRPOWER]

I do know that some states require the make and model information to be part of the background check. Restrictions on who can buy what and how often and such and all. Better hope whatever was on the form for the check matches up with what you bought!

 

[UncleFudd]

Fronty

To each his own but I can tell you if your dealer does a background check without a purchase he/she is in dire jeapordy.
They are ABSOFLIPPINLUTELY NOT supposed to do so period.
I have no doubt about that as I got called on it and was very severely reprimanded for having done just one.

Don't do it guys.

Mike I have been ptrtty sick but am on the road to recovery with my new stent installed and everything.

UF

 

[MRPOWER]

Fudd, good to hear you are doing better. See you at the Copper State?

I think you should send that word in to webster's for recognition: absoflippinlutely! I like it.

Be well and keep getting better, my friend. Enjoy the holidays!

 

[LoneGunman]

It's a new transaction with new paperwork and call in. When I had my FFL i used white out a few times in my bound book, never on a 4473, no cross outs either, if the 4473 was not correct it was done over.

I never had a problem with white out in the boundbook during a compliance inspection. I also kept all of my receipts in order by date whether the gun was purchased from an individual or a distributor. During my first compliance check the compliance guy looked like he was really paying attention to the first white out mistake he came across, without him asking I produced the receipt for that firearm, it matched the information written over the white out, he stopped his inspection there. I did get hit on a few errors or more like his pet peeves, I think during a compliance inspection they HAVE to hit something.

A backround check without the purchase will get you jumped on by the BATF or whomever is doing the check, FDLE here and the locals. If the person whom you are doing the check on comes back as someone prohibited to buy a firearm they will be looking to arrest this person, this I know as a fact, at least locally.

When I had my license and someone would say they are not sure if they can buy a gun I'd tell them then they do not want to check by filling out a 4473 because if they are not permitted to own a gun they will be going to jail, I'd tell them to go to the Sheriff's Office, the SO would normally help them out.