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One ninth of the democratic Presidential hopefuls in a shot from a pheasant hunt along with an article about some of his opinions on guns.

Kerry takes aim at Dean positions on guns

By MIKE GLOVER
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

COLO, Iowa -- John Kerry charged that Democratic rival Howard Dean has a history of pandering to the gun lobby by opposing a ban on assault weapons.

Dean said Kerry was distorting positions he took while running for governor of Vermont.

On Friday Kerry, campaigning in central Iowa, passed around National Rifle Association questionnaires that Dean had filled out in 1992 and 1994 as evidence. Kerry said that Dean used those questionnaires to get the backing of the powerful NRA while Congress was struggling to pass the assault weapons ban.

"During the time that we were struggling and every law enforcement officer in America wanted to pass it, Howard Dean was asking for the NRA's endorsement and he got it," Kerry said.

Kerry made his remarks on a farm about an hour northeast of Des Moines, where he planned an afternoon of pheasant hunting. Dressed in blue jeans, a flannel shirt and rubber boots, he spoke against a backdrop of stacked hay bales, lit by a row of television lights.

"When I go out there and hunt, I'm going out there with a 12-gauge shotgun, not an assault weapon," Kerry said.

"I've been a hunter since I was 12," he said.

Dean's campaign immediately denounced Kerry as one of the "Beltway Boys," who have made a pattern of attacking Dean. Spokeswoman Sarah Leonard said Dean has raised the issue of assault weapons many times on the presidential campaign trail.

"Governor Dean has always supported a ban on assault weapons," Leonard said. "To suggest otherwise is to peddle a pack of untruths and Iowans don't appreciate dishonesty."

Dean routinely argues that he favors current federal gun control laws, wants to close the gun show loophole and, beyond that, wants states allowed to go their own way.

"I come from a rural state with a very low homicide rate," Dean told reporters in New Hampshire. "We had five homicides one year. It's a state where hunting is a part of our life. I understand that's not the traditional Democratic position."

Kerry rejected that argument.

"You cannot favor federal gun control and allow the states to do it their own way," Kerry said. "That's a complete contradiction."

The attack is the latest against Dean, who along with Dick Gephardt, sits atop the field of contenders for Iowa's leadoff precinct caucuses in January. Dean's rise in the polls has been accompanied by rising attacks from his rivals.

"I believe we must put the safety of our children and families ahead of special interests like the NRA," Kerry said. "I will never pander to the extremist NRA for personal or political expediency."

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MarlandS said:
The NRA is extremist ?!?!?!?!?!? That's a new one , in the last 10-15 years I don't think the NRA has been extreme enough.
They're considered "extremist" because they have the audacity to oppose the gun-grabbers.

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Hillarious picture, he looks like a model for the new Abercrombie & Fitch line. That's a posed picture if ever I've seen one. Look at how perfect his hair is (notice no orange hat). Who has ever gone hunting with their hair looking that perfect. Okay maybe a couple of French guys might, but!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
 

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Ok what the heck is this gun show loop I keep hearing about??? I walk into my local Wally world and walk out with a 12ga. I walk into a gunshow and walk out with a 12ga. What's the difference? They check my ID and take my info at both! I know every state is different, but then how is that even a federal issue? Is my yearly DU banquet a gunshow? I've walked out of DU with a gun in much the same way. Is DU then evil?
 

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As far fetched as it may seem the "gun loophole" is the argument that individuals including terrorists can go into a gun show and buy guns from "private sale"(non FFL holders) without doing any paperwork. It least this is the argument used by the McCain camp in Arizona. The reason this is so far fetched is there's nothing in general available at a gun show that a terrorist would want that can be purchased from "private sale" individuals. If a terrorist wanted real assault weapons the soundalikes not the lookalikes these would have to be purchased from a CL 3 dealer with state & federal background checks etc. Why would any terrorists go thru this when the can get anything they want for free from one of the governments sympathetic to their cause? Additionaly;it is no more of a problem to smugggle these into the Country than drugs. McCain knows all this and in my opinion, what he'd really like to do is shut off the gun supply to Hispanics both citizens and illegals who can't pass a background check. Due to political correctness he can't come out and say this.
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Kerry would back ANY new gun laws that hit is desk if he was President IMHO. Remember Clinton - he liked to be photographed with a shotgun in his hand while hunting also.

For some reason Democrats just hate guns! I guess they like to live in police states. It's the nature of the beast. I mean, they love big government, big unions, etc. Anything that allows them to work less is what Democrats seem to love. Why do they need a gun, "let Big Brother take care of all my needs". To Democrats the phrase "Yankee ingenuity" is a dirty, shameful statement. Why work for what you need if you can get it for free from someone else. Now that's your typical Democrat! :(
 

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Italiansport,

No. Every Dem candidate supports continuing the assault weapons ban, handgun control, ballistic fingerprinting, etc. same old BS. It my opinion it would be IMPOSSIBLE for a national Democrat candidate to run on a decidedly pro-second amendment stance.

The candidate would not get the critical support of the media, hollywood, the new york times, and NPR, all of which set the agenda for these bozos.

Not to say that there aren't pro-gun Democrats, or pro-gun Democrat politicians - on a more local scale. Democrat Congressman Harold Volkmer of my Show-Me state is on the Board of the NRA.

These posts are correct, though. Liberals are overwhelmingly anti-gun - almost to the point of religion.

To me they are anti-freedom and just don't get that more guns=less crime.
 

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Hi All--

I'm just back from a surf over to the John Kerry website. It's actually pretty difficult to locate his position on guns--I finally found it, of course, under "Crime," as if that's all guns are for. I think he'd rather not dwell on the issues, but his intentions--as many of you have noted--are as insidious as ever. Anyway, I thought some of you might enjoy checking out this press release: Kerry's open letter to Jerry Seinfeld, of all people.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/rele ... _1030.html

There's a fair amount of noise being made in the Kerry online forums by outraged gun owners. :twisted: I registered and will do a post there myself. It won't change his mind, but it's nice to make the Kerry campaign as uncomfortable as possible. :lol:
 

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John Kerry said:
I'm a hunter and a gun owner, but I've never gone hunting with an AK-47. I'll stand up to the NRA when they ... stand in the way of common sense efforts to keep the most dangerous weapons out of the hands of felons and children.
John Kerry would never hunt with an AK-47. I guess that means no one else should ever want to. And an effort to keep "the most dangerous weapons" out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them seems like common sense, but the efforts of the democrats to that supposed end have not used any common sense at all. None of the guns banned in the federal AW ban are any more dangerous than non-banned guns.

I guess I'm preaching to the choir here, but uninformed people talking about guns that way makes me kind of upset heh...
 

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i'm new to this forum and definitely went against my better judgment by even reading a political discussion. but, alas, i have and cannot undo what i've read. and it just wouldn't be american of me to let all of this one-sidedness go on without retort.

i'm a democrat and i love guns. i also love that there are laws that prevent 13-year olds and convicted felons from walking into a gun shop and buying a gun. while the assault weapons ban may be extreme and not very logical, it's important to remember that that's not the only gun control law. there is a big difference between wanting there to be regulations on gun ownership vs. men in black coming to your house and taking all your guns away. that extreme would not fly with many democrats.

to put firearms regulations into perspective, i also want to note that some people who reject regulations on firearm ownership are simultaneously able to accept the government telling women what they can and cannot do with their uteruses. that prospect frightens me much more than having to get a background check every time i buy a gun.

i don't mean for any of this to be offensive, i just always like to see two (or more) sides to an argument. it's good for democracy and good for america. we may have to agree to disagree on these issues, i just wanted to bring in another perspective. i'm going to really try to discipline myself and stay out of the political part of this site from now on.
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A lot of people view abortions as murder of the, soon to be, living human being. This is especially so when the abortion is performed at the EIGHTH month of pregnancy!

It's an oxymoron to say you are a Democrat and love guns. Democratic leaders in Congress want to eventually ban private gun ownership. They're doing it piecemeal, one step at a time. Maybe "t" should be more involved in politics. If he/she was then he/she would know that the Democratic party leadership's agenda is to ban the private ownership of firearms. Their actions speak volumes in proving my point.
 

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Politictions in general are power hungry, and will do whatever it take to gain more power. if they give money away to people, they will get those people to vote for them. if they take guns away the anti's will vote for them. if theres no guns that insures power. its all about them wanting to control every aspect of our live's.
i wish the govenment would just get out of the way and let US live our lives. the goverenments job is not to take care of us from cradle to grave.
everyone is talking about the president taking jobs away, or not creating more jobs, since when is that part of the presidents job? goout and get a job. if you cant find a good job, find a way to make your self a job. (start your own business) its not the goverenments job to make you happy and succsessful. thats up to you.
Basicly i just dont like congress making all these new laws, we already have enough laws on the books. they just dont enforce them.
OK nuff said....
 

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there is a big difference between wanting there to be regulations on gun ownership vs. men in black coming to your house and taking all your guns away. that extreme would not fly with many democrats.
While I'll agree that there are probably some moderate Dems that may not back the elimination of all guns, there are also many far left wing, Hollywood type, card carrying ACLU liberals who will accept nothing less than the TOTAL confiscation of ALL guns. The ONLY reason it "would not fly" is because organizations such as the NRA, the Republican party, the gun owners of America, and the forethought of our founding fathers wouldn't allow it. If the Dems were allowed to impose their will, the 2nd amendment would go away. I expect no protection of the 2nd amendment to come from the Democratic party.

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well you all have two issues wrong here for one a single president is not going to be able to remove the second amendment so I don't know why this would even be an issue. There would have to be a country wide vote to change or amend the constitution some of you should check up on your poly sci. So yes you could be democratic and pro gun because it would be your peers that would vote to cut down on taking all your guns away. Also I do not believe the supreme court would stand for such an amendment and would probably be similar to the ban of alcholic beverages. YES alcholic beverages where ban and it was about the same time that WOMEN got the right to vote that Think about those of you that live in areas that are dry think about how many animals would migrate/die because the land is too dry for them to live off of. People need to learn from animals and live and respect the land. Watch disneys pocahontas and maybe you will figure it out.
 
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