you are reading my mind. i usually shoot 7/8 oz at trap singles, and skeet. as long as you use the faster powders in the 12, you can download a bunch. i have loaded 7/8 oz down to 1000 fps, and at skeet and 16 yd trap, they still smoke the bird. i use a light full in the trap gun, std skeet in the skeet gun. one of our club officers uses 14 gr red dot w/ 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 at 16 yd. low noise, high smoke, at the bird! i use 16 gr alliant E3 with 1 oz, 16.5 gr with 7/8 oz.