Everyone I know (myself included) who has purchased an EAA gun would recomend it to other (like I'm doing now). Go for it man. Check out http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ they sell the O/U for $229 and the SxS @ $269 hammerless, $299 hammers. They have a flat shipping rate of $13 for the lower 48.
looking to buy a gun need advice. looking at o/u and SxS
i have been looking at some o/u and SxS 12 gauges i am not sure how long i should get my barrals. and what would be soom good extras to look for on them. should i get a o/u or a SxS Would the shotguns on Esscorp be a good start. http://www.eaacorp.com/firearms/longguns/shotguns.shtml
I wont to use it in sporting clays, trap, and skeet. if you could tell me what a good gun to buy off this site would be it would be a realy good help this is the cheapes place i have found o/u and SxS I would like to stay at 600 or less. do you have any experance with these guns or know any thing about weather they are good investments. I am sort about 5'8" and i dont have that long of a reach i do have good strong arms. i will most likely have the gun stock cut to fit me.
I wont to use it in sporting clays, trap, and skeet. if you could tell me what a good gun to buy off this site would be it would be a realy good help this is the cheapes place i have found o/u and SxS I would like to stay at 600 or less. do you have any experance with these guns or know any thing about weather they are good investments. I am sort about 5'8" and i dont have that long of a reach i do have good strong arms. i will most likely have the gun stock cut to fit me.
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Gordon, where on CDNN's site do you see these guns? I can't see any mention of complete firearms, just parts.GordonSetter said:Everyone I know (myself included) who has purchased an EAA gun would recomend it to other (like I'm doing now). Go for it man. Check out http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ they sell the O/U for $229 and the SxS @ $269 hammerless, $299 hammers. They have a flat shipping rate of $13 for the lower 48.
Heck, at those prices you might as well pick up two!
-- Sam
You have to click the Download Newest Catalog!! image. It is the first omage on the site. It is a large PDF file. Shotguns start on page 20 and go to 27. These are on pages 26 and 27. The catalog is mainly handguns and parts. They also have bunch of rifles. Oh and that $13 shipping is a flat per order rate be it 1 gun or 50. Warrning: It will take at least a month to get shipped to you.
thanks guys but should i get a o/u or a SxS
and how long should i get the barral. I shot about 5'8" and i dont have that long of a reach.
and how long should i get the barral. I shot about 5'8" and i dont have that long of a reach.
My opinion is get what feels right. I have shot O/U and SxS and could go for either one. You will hear a lot about SxS not being as acurate on the follow shot but I find if you know your gun that's not true. My next ****** will be a SxS for birds and clays.
As far as barrel length 19" is all you need to affect shot. This means that a 30" bbl will not be more true than a 20". The longer barrels do provide a longer sight plain which can improve acccuracy. The added weight of the long bbl can help keep you swinging instead of stopping when you shoot. Added wieght can be a bad thing also if you can't pickup the gun and get that last shot on your way back to the car, why have the gun?
For fit go to Gander or your local EAA dealer and try the guns. Get what feels good. If you really like a gun but it doesn't fit right it costs about $50 to get it fitted to you (plus a new pad).
As far as barrel length 19" is all you need to affect shot. This means that a 30" bbl will not be more true than a 20". The longer barrels do provide a longer sight plain which can improve acccuracy. The added weight of the long bbl can help keep you swinging instead of stopping when you shoot. Added wieght can be a bad thing also if you can't pickup the gun and get that last shot on your way back to the car, why have the gun?
For fit go to Gander or your local EAA dealer and try the guns. Get what feels good. If you really like a gun but it doesn't fit right it costs about $50 to get it fitted to you (plus a new pad).
As someone who just went through this with a shotgun, as well as having gone through it numerous times with numerous handguns, the only one that can really answer that (as Gordon points out) is you. The gun really is a tool, and the question is, which tool do you prefer? When you get out there on the line the make/style/operation of the gun makes little difference in how you break clays. If a SxS floats your boat more than an O/U (or vice versus), go for it. There is no one "right" answer.chad said:thanks guys but should i get a o/u or a SxS
and how long should i get the barral. I shot about 5'8" and i dont have that long of a reach.
-- Sam
Hi, I've been lurking here a while but never posted until now.
Just a thought, if you have no experience with side by sides. It's not uncomon for people to have trouble learning to shoot well with a SXS due to the broad sight pic. You either shoot them well or you don't. I myself am a decient shooter but awfull w a SXS. If you have no experience, you might opt for the O/U ( which is what you mostly see on trap and sporting clays courses anyway.) Barrel length? 28-30" on a break gun is about standard in SC and 28-32" for trap. I'd opt for a 28 or 30" . go 28 if youmplan to shoot some skeet as well. ( providing you are gettting screw in chokes too. )Also remember more weight means less felt kick. Don't get something too light thinking it will be easier to shoot. It's not hard ( and very comfortable) to swing a 8.5# 30" gun ( I'm 5'7"/180). If you want lighter and or less kick, you might consider a good used Remington 1100 semi auto.
hth
Just a thought, if you have no experience with side by sides. It's not uncomon for people to have trouble learning to shoot well with a SXS due to the broad sight pic. You either shoot them well or you don't. I myself am a decient shooter but awfull w a SXS. If you have no experience, you might opt for the O/U ( which is what you mostly see on trap and sporting clays courses anyway.) Barrel length? 28-30" on a break gun is about standard in SC and 28-32" for trap. I'd opt for a 28 or 30" . go 28 if youmplan to shoot some skeet as well. ( providing you are gettting screw in chokes too. )Also remember more weight means less felt kick. Don't get something too light thinking it will be easier to shoot. It's not hard ( and very comfortable) to swing a 8.5# 30" gun ( I'm 5'7"/180). If you want lighter and or less kick, you might consider a good used Remington 1100 semi auto.
hth
i have a remington 1100 as of now and i enjoy it have much but it will not take screw in chokes. I dont need lighter i am just wonedering if my short arm need a shorter barral. im 5'8"/250.
"Arm length shouldn't have much to do with barrel length ( unless it becomes a weight/barrel issue.) Generally 28-30" is normal on a 1100 for trap. ( I'm 5'8/ 190 and shoot a 30" 1100, 30" 391 and a 30" O/u for trap) Fixed chokes are OK (and preffered by many.) I like a mod choke but the full will be the choke that you will grow into as you get better.
hth
hth
This is a bit of a cross-post (from Gun Opinions section... http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=2429) as I am also looking to upgrade from my Remington WM 870 for sporting clays. I am considering the DeHaan- formerly Huglu O/U's. Anyone seen well thought out reviews for these shotguns? The model shown sells for $745.
http://www.dhshotguns.com
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Chad,
I would go with a 28 inch IZH over and under, I have seen about 2 dozen beginners (yes 24) start with this and no-one has been disappointed.
I know of a couple of issues with this make -
the wood is not $1000 walnut and so the front end may not match the butt,
the trigger guard screw has a tendency to back out, easily fixed with a matchstick, and
in ONE case I know of it had a very heavy trigger pull.
Something you may not consider and issue is an automatic safety.
It is much better value for money than anything else I have seen on the market. It will take you either to the next level where you will want a better gun, or it will just last you for years.
Shoot well and often,
Roger
I would go with a 28 inch IZH over and under, I have seen about 2 dozen beginners (yes 24) start with this and no-one has been disappointed.
I know of a couple of issues with this make -
the wood is not $1000 walnut and so the front end may not match the butt,
the trigger guard screw has a tendency to back out, easily fixed with a matchstick, and
in ONE case I know of it had a very heavy trigger pull.
Something you may not consider and issue is an automatic safety.
It is much better value for money than anything else I have seen on the market. It will take you either to the next level where you will want a better gun, or it will just last you for years.
Shoot well and often,
Roger
can you explain an automatic safety to me, as I have never used anything other than pump and automatic shotguns? I think the alternative is manual, is that correct? thanks.Roger Gascoigne said:Chad,
Something you may not consider and issue is an automatic safety.
Roger
Mike,
Sorry I was not clear.
An automatic safety is one that comes on everytime the gun is opened. (We are talking about the Baikal OU here).
I see this as an issue because on a clays course, you do not usually use the safety, and you WILL forget to take it off and at the most Critical time - like when you are going for the last pair of an otherwise clean stand . This pair will be called lost.
The other issue I have is that safety is not a small piece of metal getting in the way of the sear or another part of the firing mechanism. Safety is a training, culture and set of practices that has to be learned, refreshed and relearned and sits between the ears of the shooter. Many guns will fire even with the safety on in certain circumstances.
Long answer to a short and good, question, sorry.
Roger
Sorry I was not clear.
An automatic safety is one that comes on everytime the gun is opened. (We are talking about the Baikal OU here).
I see this as an issue because on a clays course, you do not usually use the safety, and you WILL forget to take it off and at the most Critical time - like when you are going for the last pair of an otherwise clean stand
. This pair will be called lost.The other issue I have is that safety is not a small piece of metal getting in the way of the sear or another part of the firing mechanism. Safety is a training, culture and set of practices that has to be learned, refreshed and relearned and sits between the ears of the shooter. Many guns will fire even with the safety on in certain circumstances.
Long answer to a short and good, question, sorry.
Roger
So you are saying the Baikals set the safety every time you open and close them?
From a sefe weapons handling perspective, sounds wonderful.
But since the gun is pretty much designed for shooting sports (with exception of hunting, I guess) it seems like a fault.
From a sefe weapons handling perspective, sounds wonderful.
But since the gun is pretty much designed for shooting sports (with exception of hunting, I guess) it seems like a fault.
Just an FYI: Rugers use an auto safety, too. Don't know if it's defeatable on either those or the Baikals.
I would think you'd get used to it as just another manual-of-arms for the particular firearm (just get used to flicking it off after you've closed the gun), but then, I don't really like them, either.
-- Sam (who got to shoot an English-stocked Red Label at last week's match. Maybe a Beretta Blackwing at this week's...)
I would think you'd get used to it as just another manual-of-arms for the particular firearm (just get used to flicking it off after you've closed the gun), but then, I don't really like them, either.
-- Sam (who got to shoot an English-stocked Red Label at last week's match. Maybe a Beretta Blackwing at this week's...)
I think this would be a realy good idea i have not seen this inperson yet but i will be going to a gunshow this sunday so hope to see it there {auto safety}
what do you know about the Stoeger O/U they are cheaper yet and owned by benelli. go to http://www.stoegerindustries.com/shotguns/ for a look at them. I have brought it down to this two O/Us for my next gun buy.
what do you know about the Stoeger O/U they are cheaper yet and owned by benelli. go to http://www.stoegerindustries.com/shotguns/ for a look at them. I have brought it down to this two O/Us for my next gun buy.
I like auto safety. If you see a safety as a device that slows you down and gets in the way you have no bussiness shooting. I know that's harsh but come on, click the safety off as you bring the gun back up. The safety should be on anytime that weapon is not on your shoulder pointed at a target! Anyone that says otherwise will never be hunting with me.
I agree with that in almost every case. Except sporting clays.
My reasoning - you do not load your gun until you are ready to shoot,in the shooting position, and your gun is pointed in the direction you wish to fire. After firing, you break your gun and remove the ammo.
My reasoning - you do not load your gun until you are ready to shoot,in the shooting position, and your gun is pointed in the direction you wish to fire. After firing, you break your gun and remove the ammo.
I was specfically talking about clay shooting not hunting, BUT if you think a safety catch makes a gun safe, then I do not to shoot with you.
Roger
Roger
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