[wheelgunner]

I posted this on Biakal/Spartan but no responses yet so I thought I would try here.

Do you know if anyone makes a mag extension for Remington Spartan SPR453 or Baikal MP153?

Or if a mag extension for another shotgun would fit?

My last resort is to cut the exhisting cap and weld a tube on it and get a longer spring from Wolf Springs. Man it seems like alot of work to get a mag extension. However I wanted a gas operated autoloader and not a recoil operated autoloader.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Dan

 

[Rogmatt]

wheelgunner,

Because the gun is new in the American market, accessories are slim. I am not aware of a mag extension yet.

 

[Greathounder]

The first thing I would try. is calling the tech guys at Brownell's
they might know if an extention from another gun would work. If they don't know, I would mike the threads on the magazine and check the thread pitch. Atleast then you'd know what you have, then start checking other sources to find one to match. The avalibility of accessories is the reason I went with a Remington 11-87.

 

[wheelgunner]

... The avalibility of accessories is the reason I went with a Remington 11-87.

Yes, I almost went with the Rem 11-87.
2 reasons why I didn't.

1. I am trying to do this on a budget, which may very well back fire due to parts availability.

2. I read from other posts that the range of ammo of the 11-87 is 2 3/4 field loads to 3".

My wood stocked 153 shoots everything from 2 3/4 target to 3" slugs and 3 1/2 magnum with no problems. I really don't like shooting the 3 1/2 magnums, kicks way more than my 50BMG rifle. After I shot the 3 1/2 mags I had to turn around to look for my shoulder on the ground.

I'll try calling brownells tech and post what they say, thanks!

Dan

 

[mike100]

You might want to read up in the benelli forums about hi capacity (more than 5+1 or thereabouts) foreign made shotguns. you can't have it..even with a pump and no pistol grip.

this law was a little tid bit from the 1989 AK-47 ban even b4 the assault weapons ban, of which it has nothing to do with.

now, maybe you can make one or get one from europe, but technically youre assed out legally.

 

[wheelgunner]

Am looking into that, I think it may be only imported extensions but US is OK. I need to check it out.

 

[remster]

Its not what you would call "conventional", but you could have got a saiga12! :twisted:

 

[Grizzlywinmag]

You might want to read up in the benelli forums about hi capacity (more than 5+1 or thereabouts) foreign made shotguns. you can't have it..even with a pump and no pistol grip.

922(r) covers non-semi-auto weapons as well? Are you certain about that?

 

[mike100]

oops..maybe you are right on the semi auto... i think it was a lobbying effort to ride in some text on the coat tails of the AK ban law to protect the domestic gun industry.

 

[wheelgunner]

Its not what you would call "conventional", but you could have got a saiga12! :twisted:

Man, I wish I would have bought one here in CA when they were selling here.

In Kalifornia cannot have a semi-auto with detachable magazine.

 

[wheelgunner]

Only thing I could find assualt weapon is:

A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

1. a folding or telescoping stock;
2. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
3. a fixed magazine in excess of five rounds
4. and an ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(Didn't the above Fed law expire?)

California Law:
6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

The Benelli M4 could have straight stock, pistol grip stock, or a pistol grip with telescoping stock. A mag extension to option 2 would make it an AW, option 3 is already an AW.

Since a Spartan SPR453 does not have:
a. folding or telescoping stock.
b. pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
c. ability to accept a detachable magazine.

Why can't I put on an extended mag?

The FN semi can have an extended mag, so why can't the Spartan?

 

[wheelgunner]

Linky to FN site with semi available comercial

http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/sg_selfloading.htm

 

[mike100]

you gotta do a search on federal section 922(r) that grizzlywinmag pointed out in the above post.

it is not part of any former or current assault weapons provision. I remember reading in the benelli forums about how that company inadventently was selling illegal shotguns here and had an agreement to stop selling them in that configuration. The legality of extended mag tubes on foreign made autoloaders is questionable.

you could buy a mossberg or remington autoloader with a broomstick sized extended mag and its fine. I believe this was some bit thrown in to protect the domestic gun makers from losing the defensive SG sales since beretta (along with the rest) kind of owns the sporting market already.

 

[mike100]

Linky to FN site with semi available comercial

http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/sg_selfloading.htm

That's a winchester from what I understand.. at any rate, it is a confusing subject. there is a certain american content percentage and maybe those are made under license for winny.

upon further re-reading i think the telescoping stock is a no-no on more than 5 round magazines. I'm still confused on wether or not I could have 7+1 on a standard classic stocked foreign SG.

Huglu makes a 7+1 tube for my hunting gun (CZ 712), but i don't think I can get that either.

 

[Grizzlywinmag]

The legality of extended mag tubes on foreign made autoloaders is questionable.

As I understand it (someone correct me if I'm wrong), 922(r) is essentially the 1994 AWB, except it only applies to imported firearms and it can be circumvented by putting enough American-made parts in your weapon. If that's the case, then a semi-auto with a fixed stock, fixed magazine and a non-protruding pistol grip could legally have whatever magazine capacity you saw fit to attach to it.

you could buy a mossberg or remington autoloader with a broomstick sized extended mag and its fine.

There is another 'gotcha' in there having to do with the Secretary of State being able to declare any firearm with a bore over .50 caliber an NFA 'destructive device' as long as it was not considered 'suitable for sporting purposes' (the case of the USAS-12 and the Striker shotgun would be an example of this). That, however, is extremely unlikely to apply to individual weapons modified by the end-user, but only come up if a manufacturer were to produce such a weapon.

 

[Greathounder]

Gee did I goof, my tactical skeet gun has a Choate pistol grip stock, and I just ordered a 5 round mag extention. Am I going to have problems here in Michigan?

 

[wheelgunner]

I don't know about Michigan but Kalifornia's law states:

State of California Dangerous Weapons Control Law

Assault Weapons
Chapter 2.3
Article 1

12276

(c) All of the following specified shotguns:

(1) Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12.

(2) Striker 12.

(3) The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12.

12276.1

(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

(8 Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

 

[wheelgunner]

922r

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 922

(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925 (d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to-
(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.

 

[Greathounder]

OOPs! Sorry, I forgot to say my tactical skeet gun is a Remington 11-87. What I wondering about, was the the Sec of State thing. Where a Mossy or Rem could be illegal.

 

[Grizzlywinmag]

OOPs! Sorry, I forgot to say my tactical skeet gun is a Remington 11-87. What I wondering about, was the the Sec of State thing. Where a Mossy or Rem could be illegal.

It could be, but it's quite unlikely that your particular firearm will be singled out for that. That particular route of prohibition is only going to come into play against entire models of firearms, not any one weapon.