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Why don't they sell there o/u in the USA under there name instead of Browning?
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You need to study the contract between Herstal Group and Miroku.
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Because Browning has the exclusive distrubution rights in North America? :roll: If Miroku doesn't honor that right they will nuke the Miroku factory? 
Browning is a big enough player for Miroku to keep them in line, it has nothing whatever to do with principals or written agreements, though they exist! Like A5guy said, the Japanese buisness mindset is very selfish and opportunistic. They would welch on a deal in a heartbeat if they thought it would make them an extra Yen! So far Browning Is a big enough customer to keep that from happening! They make very nice firearms though!
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Browning is a big enough player for Miroku to keep them in line, it has nothing whatever to do with principals or written agreements, though they exist! Like A5guy said, the Japanese buisness mindset is very selfish and opportunistic. They would welch on a deal in a heartbeat if they thought it would make them an extra Yen! So far Browning Is a big enough customer to keep that from happening! They make very nice firearms though!BP
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Miroku was marketed in the US by a man named Arnold Reiger. I bought one from him in the early 70's. BTW, the price was $175. A few short years after that they started building shotguns for Browning and the importing by Mr. Reiger ended. As mentioned, the reasons are in the contract.
BP, Browning is smart enough to put language in the contract to negate any monetary gain that Miroku would have by disregarding the contract. It is all in the fine print.
BP, Browning is smart enough to put language in the contract to negate any monetary gain that Miroku would have by disregarding the contract. It is all in the fine print.
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Is there any way to get a new one in the US or is it a pipe dream?
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You can either buy a Browning or go overseas and get one.
Now you can find very previously owned ones over here but, they will probably not be NIB.
Now you can find very previously owned ones over here but, they will probably not be NIB.
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The point is NOT whether Browning is smart enough to draw up any fine print, it is that the Japanese typicaly don't care two hoots in hadies what is in a contract anyway, they will do whatever is in their best interest anyway. If it is to continue with the agreement, they will, if not, they won't. The track record is pretty bleak! But indeed there IS an agreement between Browning and Miroku to do just as I suggested, Browning markets in North America, Miroku everywhere else. I've not actually read the agreement, but as I understand the way it was explained to me by those who did seem to know, it is more that Miroku won't market in North America more so than Browning won't market anywhere else. I suspect Browning is a pretty fair share of the Miroku portfolio! I doubt that they really want to send Browning away, but, if they did, they wouldn't let any fine print stop them. :roll:
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The point is NOT whether Browning is smart enough to draw up any fine print, it is that the Japanese typicaly don't care two hoots in hadies what is in a contract anyway, they will do whatever is in their best interest anyway. If it is to continue with the agreement, they will, if not, they won't. The track record is pretty bleak! But indeed there IS an agreement between Browning and Miroku to do just as I suggested, Browning markets in North America, Miroku everywhere else. I've not actually read the agreement, but as I understand the way it was explained to me by those who did seem to know, it is more that Miroku won't market in North America more so than Browning won't market anywhere else. I suspect Browning is a pretty fair share of the Miroku portfolio! I doubt that they really want to send Browning away, but, if they did, they wouldn't let any fine print stop them. :roll:
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BP, generally those are non compete clauses and whether they care two whoots about the contract or not, the courts will make it painful for them to cross the line and they will not be allowed to continue to disregard the contract. It is common practice and I have also not seen the contract but you can bet your bottom dollar it is in there, along with court and legal costs being paid by those found at fault after the dust settles.
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Those contracts and settlements are very difficult to enforce across the Pacific, I'd bet both Browning and Miroku full well know that too.
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Those contracts and settlements are very difficult to enforce across the Pacific, I'd bet both Browning and Miroku full well know that too.
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No, they are easy to enforce. International contracts are written every day for cases like this and are enforceable in both countries. These guys did not just fall off the turnip truck in Utah, they know their way around. In fact it is now Herstal that holds the strings. Nonetheless enforcement not trying to get them to court in the US.
No, they are easy to enforce. International contracts are written every day for cases like this and are enforceable in both countries. These guys did not just fall off the turnip truck in Utah, they know their way around. In fact it is now Herstal that holds the strings. Nonetheless enforcement not trying to get them to court in the US.
Yes, I know of several that have been brought in, including Euro Brownings without ports.Fuelburns1 said:
http://www.litts.co.uk/MAIN%20INDEX.htm
Importing a single gun is not as difficult as you might think. Go to this web site http://www.micksguns.com/index.htm and scroll down to where it says "Importing Guns to the U.S. made simple". This dealer may or may not be able to provide a Miroku, but he does have good info on how to go about it.
I'm sure if you contact any large dealer in the UK who sells Miroku (like Litts, for example) they can help you import the Miroku you want.
I'm sure if you contact any large dealer in the UK who sells Miroku (like Litts, for example) they can help you import the Miroku you want.
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I really don't think it is an issue anyway. It seems as if Miroku and Browning are full well satisfied with the arrangement they have. Been that way since about '76 if I recall correctly. There isn't any reason you can't "import" a Miroku shotgun if you really wanted to. No law against that, just an agreement between Miroku and Browning that "they" won't sell their trademarked guns in North America and Browning will. You want to go to the trouble of finding one overseas or go over there and buy one and bring it home, go for it. Just make sure you have your ducks in a row with BATF. I don't know what is involved today in that process, but in '72 I shipped 3 rifles back to the States from Germany. There was a "form" to fill out and a duty to pay, no big deal! Probably not all that much different today! Me, I'd just buy the Browning, unless of course you wanted something just a bit different than anyone else has? I can identify with that! Moving right along! :wink:
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I really don't think it is an issue anyway. It seems as if Miroku and Browning are full well satisfied with the arrangement they have. Been that way since about '76 if I recall correctly. There isn't any reason you can't "import" a Miroku shotgun if you really wanted to. No law against that, just an agreement between Miroku and Browning that "they" won't sell their trademarked guns in North America and Browning will. You want to go to the trouble of finding one overseas or go over there and buy one and bring it home, go for it. Just make sure you have your ducks in a row with BATF. I don't know what is involved today in that process, but in '72 I shipped 3 rifles back to the States from Germany. There was a "form" to fill out and a duty to pay, no big deal! Probably not all that much different today! Me, I'd just buy the Browning, unless of course you wanted something just a bit different than anyone else has? I can identify with that! Moving right along! :wink:
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If anyone should want a Miroku, there are a few guys importing them on a limited basis. The guy I'm familiar with is Larry Friedman from Gaithersburg, Maryland. He sells through GunBroker.com. Go there and do a search. His prices are considerably less than Brownings and the receivers look better to me. I just bought one from him... a 30" 28ga Sporter for $1450 NIB. I think he has another one listed at the same price. I don't know if Larry special orders guns or not, but most of his stuff appears to be European imports.
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