Now I know someone is going to say that they are made by the same company, but I would like to know the real difference. Both look the same, both have the same barrel length, both have 8 shot capacity. Is it or is it not the same gun? I have a feeling from reading Mossberg's web site that Maverick is a little cheaper in price and quality. I'm looking for a good home security shotgun and have been leaning toward the Mossberg home security, but when I saw the Maverick, It seemed like the same gun. Is Maverick the exact same gun or a cheaper version?
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yes they are both based on the same action, but mavericks have synthetic stocks and pump handles and i think they are single slide action compared to mossbergs dual slide, mavericks have a safety by the trigger where mossbergs have a top tang, mavs are good beaters, pay little, beat it around get a lot of use, though after several hundred rounds i find the action gets lose and rattles. for the price diff you might as well get a moss 500 70$ more for a superior firearm, if you want a cheap reliable home defense i would recommend a winchester defender, not fancy but they sure can take a beating. http://www.omegaalliancegamers.com/Edited by: OA Tanthalas at: 7/6/02 8:49:31 pm
The difference is negligable. The Mossberg has the safety on top of the rear of the receiver. The Maverick has a crossbolt safety in front of the triggerguard (like a Winchester 1300). The Maverick has a few more plastic parts in the trigger assembly. Both shotguns have dual action bars. They are both made on the same assembly line in Eagle Pass, Maverick County, Texas. The 500's, 88's, and 590's are not made in Conneticut. The Maverick is a much better value for the money. They sell them locally (28-inch vent rib) at Academy Sports for $139.00, here in San Antonio. Nothing fancy, just a plain jane utilitarian shotgun. Hope this helps.
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I have been doing a bit of research about this topic, and based in other posts in this website, there is an important difference in quality between both shotguns. Mossberg parts are made almost all of forged steel, while Mav are made of cast iron. For me, this is a real important difference.
Does anybody there could verify this information about those guns???
Thanks.
Does anybody there could verify this information about those guns???
Thanks.
I have examined both shotguns, and compared them side by side. Other than the fire control assemblies, both made of plastic trigger housings, and the position of the safety, I cannot see any difference. Let's see, both receivers are made of aluminum alloy, both have brushed steel chromoly barrels, both have machined steel bolts, both are availble with plastic stocks. I'm not totally clear on where the cast iron parts are on a Maverick shotgun. The only Mossberg shotgun product with a steel trigger guard, is the M590A1. Which is a mil-spec shotgun. I would have to agree that the 500, 590, and the Maverick 88 make extensive use of stamped parts in the trigger mechanism, and the carrier and shell stops, but no cast iron parts.
Iggy: Thanks, I forgot about that. That feature further reduces the production costs. The pinned forearm feature, a simple crossbolt type safety on the triggerguard, and less hands-on metal preparation prior to bluing the steel is the prime reasons that they can build and sell them for $139.95. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see. These shotguns seem to fit the bill for a lot of people who use their shotguns as dove guns maybe one or two days a year. They are probably not the best bet for someone who does a lot of wing shooting. I am a Remington guy, but I can definately appreciate the niche in the market for a solid, $140 shotgun. I hope people buy them as fast as they can make them. Hopefully it will allow more folks to enjoy the shooting sports, by not costing them hundreds of dollars to get their foot in the door.
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Well, that was what I understood from this post....
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=1055
Now, I have only see the Mav 88, not the Mossberg 500, so that is the reason I am checking for info about its quality. In that post, they talk about the cast parts of Mav vs the forged ones in Mossberg.
Hope this will help.
Thanks a lot.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=1055
Now, I have only see the Mav 88, not the Mossberg 500, so that is the reason I am checking for info about its quality. In that post, they talk about the cast parts of Mav vs the forged ones in Mossberg.
Hope this will help.
Thanks a lot.
Well, I'm not sure where our friend is getting his information, but Mossberg (the maker of Maverick Arms) doesn't cast barrels. There is not a single shotgun manufacturer, at least in this country who casts barrels. As for the receivers, it wouldn't make any difference whether an aluminum receiver was cast or forged aluminum. There is no stress from firing in the receiver. The bolt locks directly into the barrel extension, and absorbs the firing pressure. The big question is why would a manufacturer making two identical parts, cast one and forge the other. The costs associated with purchasing, maintaining and manpower to operate the two machines would be very cost prohibitive. Take what you read being posted here with a grain of salt. I guess that you could include what I post here as well. Some of these people are like the media, if they don't have the facts, they just make them up as they go along.
Kazz, I just read the link you posted (http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=1055) and can only conclude that our friend "TheLibertarian" was smoking crack when he posted that. You can get the 590 if you want (I did), but if budget is a major issue, I wouldn't feel any less safe with a 500.
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Hello all, my first post here. I was wondering where one could get a Maverick for $140. All the online places I've checked they're closer to $200. I'm looking at getting the 20" version. Also, do they come with a pistol grip along with the full stock from the factory or do you have to buy the pistol grip seperate? Thanks.
We have a chain of sporting goods stores here in Texas, called ACADEMY SPORTS & OUTDOORS. Their standard price for a Maverick 88 12 gauge, 28-inch vent rib is $139.99. I know that they also have stores in Alabama, Mississippi, and I think Georgia. Their prices always significantly cheaper than Wally World, on every gun that they have. Hope this helps.
I agree with you on the Rem vs. Moss perspective, but nobody has been able to come up with a valid reason why the Mossberg 500 is superior to the Maverick 88 for a home defense shotgun. It's purely an apple and oranges comparison. I totally disagree with hanging a bunch of worthless garbage on a home defense shotgun is a good idea, unless it's a surefire light.
The Knoxx Sidewinder Tactical conversion kit is not a bunch of stuff you "hang" on the gun. It makes it able to accept detachable mags. How can that possibly be bad? How?!
The Maverick 88 is the "economy" version of the Mossberg 500. The 500's forearm bars have a better attachment than the 88.
The Maverick 88 is the "economy" version of the Mossberg 500. The 500's forearm bars have a better attachment than the 88.
Let me see if I can grasp this concept....................
#1-An 8-shot Maverick 88 has insufficient magazine capacity, and/or a faulty ammunition feed system? So we will replace it with a system that has not been tried or proven in combat or the real world?
#2-In my 19 years as a law enforcement firearms instructor, I have never observed a single law enforcement officer who has had a tubular magazine related malfunction, or needed a detachable drum to stay in the fight. That would also include the 5-shot Remington 870. Firefights are generally over before you have time to expend 8 rounds into your threat.
#3-Pinning the forearm to the action bars is simply a cost saving measure, not a weakness in design.
#4-A defensive firearm is a tool, not platform to display your neat little accessories, like a curio cabinet. 99% of even moderately trained weapons operators cannot manipulate these cute little devices under the intense stress of a deadly force encounter, when your fine motor skills vanish.
#5-The more non-proven, aftermarket accessories that you attach to a weapon, the more weight and bulk that you add. Thereby reducing your ability to maneuver and fight with the weapon.
Quality made weapons, trained operators, and a survival mentality is what is required live another day. Leave the gimmicks to competitive shooters and hobby shotguns, not to a tool that you might use to defend yourself or your family.
#1-An 8-shot Maverick 88 has insufficient magazine capacity, and/or a faulty ammunition feed system? So we will replace it with a system that has not been tried or proven in combat or the real world?
#2-In my 19 years as a law enforcement firearms instructor, I have never observed a single law enforcement officer who has had a tubular magazine related malfunction, or needed a detachable drum to stay in the fight. That would also include the 5-shot Remington 870. Firefights are generally over before you have time to expend 8 rounds into your threat.
#3-Pinning the forearm to the action bars is simply a cost saving measure, not a weakness in design.
#4-A defensive firearm is a tool, not platform to display your neat little accessories, like a curio cabinet. 99% of even moderately trained weapons operators cannot manipulate these cute little devices under the intense stress of a deadly force encounter, when your fine motor skills vanish.
#5-The more non-proven, aftermarket accessories that you attach to a weapon, the more weight and bulk that you add. Thereby reducing your ability to maneuver and fight with the weapon.
Quality made weapons, trained operators, and a survival mentality is what is required live another day. Leave the gimmicks to competitive shooters and hobby shotguns, not to a tool that you might use to defend yourself or your family.
I will not argue that detachable magazine weapons are much quicker to reload, but a shotgun is a very different defensive weapon than a pistol, carbine, or a subgun. It's effective range against human targets is much shorter than most people think. When deployed within effective range in a home defense situation, there will not be any need for anymore than 8 shots. Probably the most effective accessory, after the install of a weapon light, would be the cheap but effective elastic buttstock shell holder.
I respect your difference of opinion, and welcome your comments on the subject. I've just seen way too many pinched receivers (from side saddles), magazine tube problems (from crappy mag extensions), and operators who think because their shotguns print five of the nine pellets of 00 buckshot on a patterning board at 20 yards, that their weapons are going to keep them alive. I would rather see a shooter (civilian or cop-doesn't matter) with a base combat shotgun burning $$$ on shotgun shells and range fees, than I would a guy spending $800 or more to complicate a fundamentally sound weapon.
Please take my comments with a grain of salt, because I am not an big advocate of the shotgun for law enforcement or civilian defense. I have far more data,background and training on the use of pistols and magazine fed carbines for defensive work. Personally, I use a shotgun to shoot things that fly, and either a Colt M4 or a Sig Sauer P229 for things that are trying to kill me. Be safe out there!
I respect your difference of opinion, and welcome your comments on the subject. I've just seen way too many pinched receivers (from side saddles), magazine tube problems (from crappy mag extensions), and operators who think because their shotguns print five of the nine pellets of 00 buckshot on a patterning board at 20 yards, that their weapons are going to keep them alive. I would rather see a shooter (civilian or cop-doesn't matter) with a base combat shotgun burning $$$ on shotgun shells and range fees, than I would a guy spending $800 or more to complicate a fundamentally sound weapon.
Please take my comments with a grain of salt, because I am not an big advocate of the shotgun for law enforcement or civilian defense. I have far more data,background and training on the use of pistols and magazine fed carbines for defensive work. Personally, I use a shotgun to shoot things that fly, and either a Colt M4 or a Sig Sauer P229 for things that are trying to kill me. Be safe out there!
Speaking of carbines, how about an M-1 Carbine? I've heard plenty of good and bad of about equal amounts about it. Is the .30 Carbine round really a man-stopper or is it anemic on stopping power? Does Wildey make a .30 Carbine version of the Wildey pistol? Or am I thinking of the AMT Automag?
I have some mixed emotions regarding the .30 Carbine round. I'll start off by admitting to a long time love affair with the weapon. I think that it's a true classic. I think the biggest problem with the .30 Carbine, as a cartridge, is that there has been no significant effort to attempt to improve the terminal ballistics of the cartridge. Since the adoption of the .223/5.56 round, the world has kind of forgotten about the .30 carbine. I like the weapon, respect the cartridge, but it's difficult to justify how it can be a better combat weapon than a .223 caliber carbine. The two rounds just wound very differently. In a nutshell, the .223 round is effective because of it's ability to fragment on human targets. The .30 Carbine just wounds like a conventional pistol round. I wouldn't feel a bit underarmed with a GI M1 Carbine, if I were working in a very rural environment. I can't say the same with that weapon in an urban environment. Handguns and pistol caliber carbines have some serious overpenetration issues that law enforcement administrators are just now beginning to take a look at.
I would like to refer you to a very informative website: www.firearmstactical.com. It's a great collection of articles and data from forensic pathologists, the FBI Firearms Training Unit, the US Army Wound Ballistics Laboratory, and other law enforcement trainers. There is more information available on that site than I can say grace over. I think it will open some doors to understanding exactly what happens to projectiles in real world settings. Testing data obtained from ballistic gelatin is great, but bullets don't always perform the way people think that they are going to, when the target walks on two legs and is intent on killing you.
I realize that I didn't shed much light on the .30 carbine. I think that it got a bad rap, due to soldiers using it outside the capabilities that it was designed to be used in. I would be willing to bet that there are several thousand of our finest, in Iraq, who would trade their Beretta M9's for one.
Take care!
I would like to refer you to a very informative website: www.firearmstactical.com. It's a great collection of articles and data from forensic pathologists, the FBI Firearms Training Unit, the US Army Wound Ballistics Laboratory, and other law enforcement trainers. There is more information available on that site than I can say grace over. I think it will open some doors to understanding exactly what happens to projectiles in real world settings. Testing data obtained from ballistic gelatin is great, but bullets don't always perform the way people think that they are going to, when the target walks on two legs and is intent on killing you.
I realize that I didn't shed much light on the .30 carbine. I think that it got a bad rap, due to soldiers using it outside the capabilities that it was designed to be used in. I would be willing to bet that there are several thousand of our finest, in Iraq, who would trade their Beretta M9's for one.
Take care!
I believe I have to agree with Doorgunner on this issue, Iggy. While the Knoxx Sidewinder has it's niche in tactical application, it tends to be
A. To Complex for the average untrained person to operate in an Ultra HIgh Strees enviroment.
B. Overkill for a home defense situation. Unless you're John McClane (Die Hard reference)
If you can't hit 1-2 targets with 8 rounds of 00 buck shot, you have a pretty hefty problem. the laws of probability pretty much dictate that you will hit them with at least 1 pellet if you are aiming at them and TRYING to shoot them. If you have to snap in another 10 round drum, then you didn't spend enough time training.
I could however, see Tactical Response Teams testing them. They might be a blessing to an entry team.
A. To Complex for the average untrained person to operate in an Ultra HIgh Strees enviroment.
B. Overkill for a home defense situation. Unless you're John McClane (Die Hard reference)
If you can't hit 1-2 targets with 8 rounds of 00 buck shot, you have a pretty hefty problem. the laws of probability pretty much dictate that you will hit them with at least 1 pellet if you are aiming at them and TRYING to shoot them. If you have to snap in another 10 round drum, then you didn't spend enough time training.
I could however, see Tactical Response Teams testing them. They might be a blessing to an entry team.
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