[combat effective]

Why would you fire a less lethal round in a home defense situation? You may only get one shot.

LTLs are great in a law enforcement capacity, but even then they aren't to be deployed unless the a lethal option is ready to be immediately be deployed. Furthermore, they aren't deployed in an up front deadly force situation. They are used in an attempt to keep a contained situation from becoming a deadly force situation.

I also prefer a dedicated less lethal delivery system. We use a 40mm gun. If a shotgun were to be used for this, it needs to be cleary identified as a less lethal delivery system.

 

[combat effective]

do not understand why you would use less lethal ammo, i dont want to kill anyone but if there is an offender in my house i am prety sure he wont have rubber rounds in his pistol, from my point of view rubber rounds are pointless, they are a waste of money as they cost more and will probably get you killed.

I emphatically concur!!!! I would also like to make a few other points. You are either justified to use deadly force or you aren't. Using a less lethal round first isn't going to change that at all. In fact, SCOTUS has ruled if the requirements for the use of lethal force are met that there is no obligation to use a less lethal alternative even if it is available. In fact, in most home defense situations, I would argue that if you took the time to deploy a less lethal round first then maybe you weren't in a truly deadly force situation. You would have been better served by using that time to escape.

Less lethals are a wonderful tool for LE work due to the fact that we are sometimes confronted with barricaded suspects or the suicide by cop crowd. As I said in my previous post in this thread, we always have a lethal option immediately available and usually plenty of it. Less lethals generally aren't going to be used unless the situation is contained.

If your life is on the line are you really willing to take the time to worry about the life of your attacker?

 

[combat effective]

I don't want to kill anyone under any circumstances. However, in a home defense situation, I would be totally isolated with no help available.

I submit that you will not have the time in a home defense situation to try a less lethal shot. It will happen so fast that you will be lucky to get off one shot in the first place.

Please understand that I am not attacking you by any means. You wanted to know about less lethal applications for a shotgun. I gave you my informed opinion of them for home defense and tried to show you why I didn't think they are a good option for home defense. I'm a certified police firearms instructor with an added shotgun specialization. I am also the grenadier for my department's riot squad meaning I am the guy that handles all of the less lethal muititions; so, I'm not just making this stuff up. From what I have read of several of the other guys in this thread previously, they seem to have a good knowledge of the subject as well.

Nobody was attacking you. We just were trying to be helpful. You asked the question and didn't like the answer.

 

[combat effective]

I don't think that it'll stop anyone determined to gain entry to your home. I've actually been hit with the stingerballs, and it wouldn't stop me.

Why don't you find some reding material from the manufacturers to see just how the products are intended to be used. That way, you won't be stuck getting the info that I am trying to give you from some faceless guy on a gun forum. I think that you'll find that what most of the folks here are telling you is correct.

You should also do some reading on deadly force encounters. You'll find that the first shot is the most important because you just might not get a second shot.

 

[combat effective]

Please show me an example of the non lethal ammo that you keep mentioning.

I don't know of any manufacturer that makes non lethal shotgun ammo. The correct term is less lethal.

 

[combat effective]

Hope it works out for you, but please take what everyone has told you to heart. I'm also going to tell you that the deadly force standards are EXACTLY the same regardless of what ammo you had loaded in the gun.

Since you obviously are bent on this path, I'll drop out of this thread now as it appears that your mind is made up and you are now trying to justify it to yourself.

I sure hope that I don't turn on the news one night to see a story about a feller that was killed after firing a less lethal round at home intruders. I hope they leave out the details of what happens to your wife and children.

Later.