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Ok Bill now that we seem to have time to burn and you didn't get that Beretta we need to find you your next gun. 1)So what do you plan to use this gun for, I saw you said some trap and pheasant so we have clays and upland, any thing else? 2)Ok you have a pump and you seem to be open to pump or semi is there one you would like more? 3)Do you want new or is used ok? 4)Price range? 5)Anything else you can think of?
 

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Pump or semi auto is fine...I am used to the 870...love the Wingmaster...12-16-20GA what do ya think?
I have looked at the Remington 870 Express, Wingmaster, Benelli Nova, Winchester 1300, Browning BPS, Mossberg 500/590, Beretta 390/391, Browning Gold Hunter and Remington 1100/1187...Price is not a REAL issue (500 was my max but for an extrodinary gun...)
I don't wanna be a poser, I want function but I have to admit, the Wingmaster was the most beautiful tied with the Browning Gold Hunter (a little higher than I wanted to go)
I know there are MORE out there and it won't get the use you guys n gals put 'em through but if I like it enough (traps/skeet whatever)...maybe I will.
No, Really John...I'm not embarrassed!!! :lol: :oops: :shock: :twisted: :p

Should I just ring out this "Border Patrol" model until I learn if I like it or not...traps, skeet thing that is???
Bill
Oh yeah...doesn't have to be new but...I don't want to buy something that is in poor condition or in need of "remanufacturing!"
 

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Personally, for the price, etc, I would have stuck with that Beretta you had "on wait". I think Beretta gets the prize for a nice looking semi. Remember, you should blame your state legislators, not the gun shop (or least of all Beretta) for your having to wait.

There's not a lot of choices if you limit yourself to American made, as much merit as that idea has. Even Winchesters are made overseas nowadays. With other manufacturers you can bet many parts and/or subassemblies, if not the whole gun, are made off-shore. I looked on Remington's site and couldn't find mention of where their guns are made these days.

If you're really unsure, stick with what you've got for now, read here and other places, and learn more about what it is you really want. There's no shame in shooting clay games with a home defense shotgun, especially while you're learning the game(s), or learning whether you even like the games. Even a 20" barrel isn't going to be that much of a handicap until you start worrying about your score, which won't be for a while. I've been to a couple of different ranges now, and while there are some nice guns at both, no one has ever given anyone even the slightest bit of a hard time about what they're shooting - especially new shooters. Yeah, the old timer with 6 different guns may get ribbed a bit when he shows up with the single shot 28ga, but just a bit.

-- Sam
 

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Yes, I odn't blame Beretta or Sports Authority stores (although they could have been a little nicer...felt my pain???) (Heck, they could have called and said "it went through if you're still interested...I'll throw in a box of shells or cleaning kit for your troubles.")..but I'm the one who let my temper lose a decent deal on a decent shotgun...I can live without it or with it...
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I agree that the look of the gun is very important. I will not buy a synthetic stock because I don't like the look. Most of the time that is why you ask to see a gun off the shelf. Stay with the 12ga untill you decide to jump in with both feet. Since you don't need a 3" or a gun that will shoot steel you can open up to alot of older guns that are very well made and good looking, but will be much less $$$ wise than a new gun.

With the 12 ga 2-3/4" you have a ton of guns to choose from. As far as semi's the Winchester 1400 and 1500 are out there used and can be had for $200-$350 with win chokes. The Browning A-5 can be had if you look hard in the $225-$450 range. Any SKB semi auto would be a great gun most can be had in the $200-$350 range. Ithaca model 900 semi can be had for $225-$325. I just missed a Ithaca 900XL that was Beautiful for $280 still kicking my butt for that. The Ithaca model 51 semi can be had for $175-$275 also a great gun. Just not as pretty as the 900XL.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewIt ... m=11241202
Here is the Ithaca 900XL such a sweet looking gun. I think better than a wingmaster and cheaper.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewIt ... m=11418878
If you really wanted a 20ga this woudl be it a Ithaca model 51

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewIt ... m=11285468
Here is a nice SKB Semi

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewIt ... m=11201617
Nice winchester 1400

As far as pumps go I would look for a Winchester model 12 or Ithaca model 37. you can find them in the $200-$400 range some later model 37 with screw in chokes. If the gun has a fixed choke then modified or imp mod would be ideal full would be good too as you could have it sent to get screw in chokes threaded in. There is no comparison the Ithaca's fit and finish are the best you will find in a pump.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewIt ... m=11394937
Here is a trap model 12 that looks good

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewIt ... m=11428435
Nice model 37

Point is there are tons of great guns once you figure out what you will use it for almost all were under $500 I think the mod 12 trap was more. They were used and some were older 70's and 60's but they are all very well made guns. I personally would much rather have one of these older used guns than a off the shelf new 870 or nova.
 

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Thanks for all your help.
Bill
 
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