Nice collection!

 

And your point is.....

 

The gun weights is my point.

 

I can see all of the wt's shown but what about them? Do you think something is good or bad or ..... ?

 

Just data - but, I personally do better with lighter guns. Interesting that the Parcours X is almost identical to the HTS.

 

Not an accident. An attempt to copy.

 

It took em two tries. Maybe they’ll nail it on the third 🤣

 

That’s a smart looking bunch.
Bob

 

Impressive collection. I've recently learned I shoot better with a lighter gun. I'll currently switching back and forth testing the theory.

All of the K80s seem to be heavy from the factory. Is that with or without weights??

 

Gun weights; all 32" barrels.

Beretta DT11 Black:
8lbs 3.50oz
Barrel 3lbs 6.70oz
Stock 4lbs 3.70oz

Perazzi HTS SC3 Wood:
8lbs 7.50oz
Barrel 3lbs 6.30oz
Stock 4lbs 4.90oz

K80 Sporter:
9lbs 0.50oz
Barrel 3lbs 10oz
Stock 4lbs 9.40oz

K80 Parcours X
8lbs 7.20oz
Barrel 3lbs 6.90oz
Stock 4lbs 2.80oz

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It’s nice to see some actual weight breakdowns instead of factory estimates. My K80 32” sporting barrels were backbored to .740 and weigh 3lb 8oz.

 

That was my motive.... Numbers thrown around on weights so i had some time, we get snow here...., and wanted to see actual figure...

no weight's added, all stock.

 

they are also all different... so when someone advises you to 'try them first before making a claim one brand is better than the other' rings true.

HTS - smoothest gun to handle, difficult in barrel awarness
Sporter - feels solid, moves slow
Parcours - very lively, too small of a grip
DT11 - all around my favourite..., low recoil, great barrel awarness, perfect grip and palm swell, lively but solid and steady

my personal opinion.

 

While it is nice to see actual weights instead of estimates, your stated weights are specific only to those four guns. If you took four different identical guns, it would be an interesting comparison into stock wood density to see the amount of variability.

 

I suspect the weight would not vary by a few ounces from wood density; the steel weight should be consistent for each brand

 

Interesting. Barrel weight without forearms I’m assuming. I would have expected DT11 barrels to be lighter than a DT10 but my DT10 32” barrels are 3lb 4.1 oz

 

Appreciate you taking the time to break down an impressive list of guns. Wood density is the factor in total weight in all but the k80 sprter. I have handled and shoot each gun you have listed. For me, the mount, sight plain down the rib and balance of the gun are the first steps in deciding whether to move forward or hand it back. For me the k80 sprter, falls last in the line up you have. I had a zoli that i regretted selling, unsingle trap gun, the zoli line of guns for me mount beautifully and point smoothly. The DT11 in the hands felt slightly heavier but with the minimal recoil and the TSK stk, I felt I was able to keep my face planted on the stock and the gun just followed my eyes. The k80 parlors I shoot falls in line with the zoli and DT11. The balance, the swing, both are equal with the list of guns you have. You must have a difficult decision to make on which gun do I shoot today. Nice lineup, good shooting.

 

Enjoyed your post.
All beautiful, great competition guns. Even though you may get the fit for each gun good for you, one will stand out and it undoubtedly will not be the same for each of us.
I have owned or shot each of those guns. For me the HT. It's build/finish was better than the DT11, the feel/ fit better than the Krieghoffs.
The very best shooters can pretty much shoot anything very well, once it fits; but they choose to shoot just one gun to optimize their competitive performance. We average shooters have the luxury to flitter from one gun to the next, it's fun, but doesn't help us shoot any better!

 

You can throw the P gun data out. It is only relevant to that particular gun (serial number, not just model). (love those specs btw)

 

Not an accident. An attempt to copy.

They did

 

Krieghoff once made an aluminum action. Another time a drop
out trigger. Imitation is the best form of flattery.

 

Krieghoff has been a copy since the day they went into production. There's no doubt that they are quality. They are still a 3200, and yes they've made improvements.

 

The Remington 3200 is an attempt to make a gun similar to a REM 32 with less labor. A K80 and a 3200 are only related in that they are both based on a 32. It’s more appropriate to think of a modern K80 as having evolved from the REM 32, then a K32 and finally several iterations of the K80. The 3200 is an offshoot that died out.
All guns are derived from previous designs - nothing truly new for a long time.

 

I wonder what John browning would say.

 

He would say you should buy a Superposed. With its silly attached forend.

 

If you know the history on the attached forend you would find that it was actually well thought out

 

I do know the history and if it was a great idea every o/u would have one. And they do not. Heaven forbid you shoot a Superposed in the rain and then have to disassemble your forend to dry out your gun. Not everything JMB designed was the greatest thing ever.

 

‘ Heaven forbid’ ? 🤦🏼‍♂️😂 sorry, maybe that’s a daunting task for you

it was a good Idea for the application that John Browning envisioned at the time. If you can not acknowledge that……

 

Have you lost a lot of forends from other brands of guns?

 

Careful there Mr. shotgun you’re starting to sound like Randy Wakeman now

 

🙄

 

Gun weights; all 32" barrels.

Beretta DT11 Black:
8lbs 3.50oz
Barrel 3lbs 6.70oz
Stock 4lbs 3.70oz

Perazzi HTS SC3 Wood:
8lbs 7.50oz
Barrel 3lbs 6.30oz
Stock 4lbs 4.90oz

K80 Sporter:
9lbs 0.50oz
Barrel 3lbs 10oz
Stock 4lbs 9.40oz

K80 Parcours X
8lbs 7.20oz
Barrel 3lbs 6.90oz
Stock 4lbs 2.80oz

Interesting. Here are my numbers for comparison (all numbers without chokes installed):
Perazzi HT (33" barrel):
8 lbs 10 oz
Barrel 3 lbs 7 oz
Stock 2 lbs 2.3 oz

K80 Sporter (32" barrel):
8 lbs 14 oz
Barrel 3 lbs 9.3 oz
Unsure of stock weight

K80 Pro Sporter (32" barrel)
8 lbs 14.6 oz
Barrel 3 lbs 11.6 oz
Unsure of stock weight

K80 Parcours X (32" barrel)
8 lbs 9.2 oz
Barrel 3 lbs 5.5 oz
Stock 2 lbs 2 oz

K80 Parcours (34" barrel)
8 lbs 8 oz
Barrel 3 lbs 5.3 oz
Stock 2 lbs 1.7 oz

I no longer have the K80 Sporter or ProSporter, so I cannot check stock weights. I suspect you are including the weight of the reciever with the stock. My weights do not include the receiver.