[Rogmatt]

Is there a difference between Fox and A.H. Fox shotguns.

I know that Savage owns the Fox name:

SAVAGE ARMS is proud to celebrate 110 years of manufacturing and in keeping with its' time-honored tradition of developing the best products in the industry, will continue to pioneer new technologies, markets and consumer products that are peerless. Savage will always represent the most accurate rifle money can buy, while STEVENS will denote the best value to the consumer. FOX, a brand we will develop in the future, will be our flagship quality, with no compromise at any level.

SAVAGE SPORTS CORPORATION - the shooters choice.

Ronald Coburn - CEO

But Conn. Shotgun Co. is making them under the A.H. Fox name:

We at Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing Company of New Britain, Connecticut are proud to announce our production of the higher grades of the original A.H. Fox 16, 20, 28 and .410 Gauge Double Barrel Shotgun. The A.H. Fox Gun is the only completely hand finished high grade double currently manufactured in the United States. Once again these classic double guns are available to the American sportsman. They retain the same superior handling qualities and reliability as their predecessor guns built prior to World War II. The balance, weight, and simplicity of design of the newly manufactured A.H. Fox Guns is unsurpassed.

A glimpse into the history of the A.H. Fox Shotgun reveals that they were manufactured in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania from 1905 until the early 1930''s. Guns manufactured in New Britain will have the same hand finish as the early guns produced in Philadelphia. Our manufacturing processes are unequaled in the gun making industry. We have set the highest standards for precision machining and utilize the finest machines available. We have recruited the best tool makers to operate this equipment.

The finishing on A.H. Shotguns is still performed by hand. Polishing, rust bluing, engraving, stock checkering, and fitting are all done manually by master craftsman skilled in the fine art of gunmaking

So what is the deal with Fox shotguns. Still made? or an old classic, or both??

Thanks for any feedback.

 

[ShootingStar]

So what is the deal with Fox shotguns. Still made? or an old classic, or both??

Yup, both. Still made by Tony Galazan's C.S.M.C. to a VERY high standard, with prices to match. Starting at $11K and going to $35K+. (Sadly, no bargain priced Sterlingworth's. ) Most would agree that in terms of quality, fit and finish, the new guns are even better the the originals largely due to modern machining, superior steels, and Tony's commitment to excellence.

C.S.M.C. also makes the M-21 for Winchester, and handles all repairs of old an new 21's.

If you're interested in the history of Ansley Fox and his many endeavors (the guy later made cars, fishing reels, and invented self-lighting cigarettes :roll: ), as well as the Fox guns in particular, this is an excellent book on the subject....

 

[Rogmatt]

But what about the Fox guns that were made by Savage?
And how is it that Savage still owns the name Fox but they are being made by Galazan? 2 different brands??

 

[natty bumpo]

Rogmatt: Thanks for the vote of confidence in the PM, but I'm afraid I don't really have the answer. McIntosh did a real fine job on the Fox, bothe the gunand the man. The book came out about 1992 and that was before Tony Galazan started making the new Fox.. A H Fox was out of the gun making picture in 1912, when Eward and Clarence Godshalk took over the Company. They lasted until 1929, when the A H Fox Co. was bought by Savage... Savage continued to produce the full line of AH Fox guns, as well as adding some models. The number of models started to decline about 1933. The Sterloingworth was changed a little, but most of the graded guns remained the same. I can only assume that Conn. Shotgun MFG, operates under an agreement with Savage. Maybe someone else car clear it up. Bushrod

 

[ShootingStar]

The book came out about 1992 and that was before Tony Galazan started making the new Fox...

Bushrod's right, 1992, but in '94 the revised edition (2nd priniting in '04) came out with a section dedicated to Galazan's Fox.

It says it part - "In mid-1992, after negotiating an agreement with Savage Arms for use of the patents and trade names, Galazan organized the Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing Company in New Britain, Connecticut."

 

[natty bumpo]

Mark: That's good to know, I wasn't aware of a re-print. I wonder what is ment in Rogmatt's first post " Fox a brand we will develope in the future". Maybe a new improved Model B?.. Bushrod

 

[ShootingStar]

...Fox a brand we will develope in the future". Maybe a new improved Model B?.. Bushrod

Whatever it is, a suspect it will be a Fox in name only. :?