[J.Fred_Muggs]

Will the new factory have a union?

That could be factor in Remington's decision to move and where it moves.

 

[Gator89]

True- but how would you feel if your employer said they were moving across the country because they didn’t believe with the current state’s laws? A lot gets impacted with something like that, but sometimes it is still necessary.

My career has moved me from sea to shining sea and border to border. I am back in FL because the company closed my plant in GA and offered FL or severance.

Fortunately FL is my ancestral home.

 

[Gator89]

The local workers may not want a union.

VW's Tennessee workers vote against union representation

Workers at Volkswagen AG's assembly plant in the state of Tennessee narrowly voted against union representation, dealing a fresh blow to the United Auto Workers' (UAW) efforts to unionize a foreign automaker's plant in the U.S. South.

www.reuters.com

 

[Justin L.]

My career has moved me from sea to shining sea and border to border. I am back in FL because the company closed my plant in GA and offered FL or severance.

Fortunately FL is my ancestral home.

Yep, some people move all the time for their jobs. Most people would prefer if they did not have to, though.

 

[40Shotguns]

Before or after dues are paid?

I never saw a union job where dues were $800 a month. You?

 

[Gator89]

I never saw a union job where dues were $800 a month. You?

I have never had any taken out of my check, and no one has shown me a check with union dues that high.

So, no I have not seen any $800 monthly union dues.

But I cannot attest that such does not exist.

 

[df]

Yeah....we don't want those companies to have to pay a single dime more than they have to pay to those greedy workers. I mean....we would all rather have guns built by minimum wagers rather than to have guns built by someone making $25-$30 an hour who actually gave a rats a$$ about the guns they were building.

Everyone complains about greedy corporations taking advantage of tax breaks and corporate welfare, but God forbid we let workers organize to protect themselves from abuse and low wages offered by those same greedy corporations.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, union workers make $200 more per week than non union workers. We can't have that now can we??

Move ahead a century.
Good companies realize that competitive total compensation and safety on the job will result in better profits (that nasty word-sarcasm). But unions that want to have five people ( dues payers) for a three person job, and weeks of sick pay that are really paid time off and often not for any sickness, and support the incompetent, under performing worker are dinosaurs.

 

[SonOfTeach]

True- but how would you feel if your employer said they were moving across the country because they didn’t believe with the current state’s laws? A lot gets impacted with something like that, but sometimes it is still necessary.

It happens all the time...happened to me a few times. That is the work environment of today.

 

[RandyWakeman]

You can stick a fork in Ilion.

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[saintcraig]

Is this what your company does?
Or are you just the accountant for these corporations that you know so much about?

Nah, you're right, Gordon Gecko. Companies really just want friends for their products. That's how they make most decisions, emotions and stuff they read on facebook. They called Georgia and asked if their guns could come over for a play date, because they were having a lot of trouble fitting in. Georgia just threw 28 million dollars of corporate welfare at Remington and also is paying to train the workers because they are so friendly, but Remington was totally going to move there anyway because that's what friends are for. Probably Georgia and guns are gonna get married when they grow up.

 

[40Shotguns]

Move ahead a century.
Good companies realize that competitive total compensation and safety on the job will result in better profits (that nasty word-sarcasm). But unions that want to have five people ( dues payers) for a three person job, and weeks of sick pay that are really paid time off and often not for any sickness, and support the incompetent, under performing worker are dinosaurs.

Your opinion isn't supported by the facts. You may not like unions for your own reasons. But the reason you've stated is false. So you'll need to reposition your argument.

The Union Advantage | U.S. Department of Labor

www.dol.gov

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Edit:. If a company allows 5 workers to do the work of 3....is that a union shortcoming or is it the result of bad company management who sent a bunch of inept negotiators who either ignored or lacked the data to negotiate a contract.?? The union negotiated to it's best position. Is it the unions fault if management fails to do the same?? Hardly.

 

[SonOfTeach]

Your opinion isn't supported by the facts. You may not like unions for your own reasons. But the reason you've stated is false. So you'll need to reposition your argument.

The Union Advantage | U.S. Department of Labor

www.dol.gov

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Edit:. If a company allows 5 workers to do the work of 3....is that a union shortcoming or is it the result of bad company management who sent a bunch of inept negotiators who either ignored or lacked the data to negotiate a contract.?? The union negotiated to it's best position. Is it the unions fault if management fails to do the same?? Hardly.

The end customer pays for union bs and how they bully and strong arm. I worked for a company who was bought by Bosch and about 5 years later management laid the law on job classes (5 people doing the work of 2) and hospitalization insurance (unitize with the salary program). The union was unwilling to budge and voted themselves out of a job. Not the smartest.

 

[saintcraig]

GA is a right to work state, which is best for all involved.

Right to work laws are just nanny-state, big gubmint regulations. There’s no reason for the state to govern private, mutually agreed to contracts between private businesses and private unions, which is what so called right to work laws actually do.

 

[df]

Your opinion isn't supported by the facts. You may not like unions for your own reasons. But the reason you've stated is false. So you'll need to reposition your argument.

The Union Advantage | U.S. Department of Labor

www.dol.gov

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Edit:. If a company allows 5 workers to do the work of 3....is that a union shortcoming or is it the result of bad company management who sent a bunch of inept negotiators who either ignored or lacked the data to negotiate a contract.?? The union negotiated to it's best position. Is it the unions fault if management fails to do the same?? Hardly.

Or you need to reposition your argument. If the union thinks that having five people to do the work of three people, they didn’t negotiate its best position. That simply pays money for inefficiency. Eventually the company and union pays for that. I’ll keep my argument.
I managed plants as a manager, and managed a half billion dollar business with multiple plants, with union and non union plants. Some of the plants I managed decertified the union after came to understand that their dues money was not getting them anything, but a high paying salary for the union execs. And they realized that the company was just as interested in their safety
as they were. And they came to understand that their financial well being and that of the company followed the same path.
I paid bonuses to union employees “outside of the union contract”. High performing employees got substantial bonuses, the laggards got nothing. It was called pay for performance. The union hated it.

 

[40Shotguns]

The end customer pays for union bs and how they bully and strong arm. I worked for a company who was bought by Bosch and about 5 years later management laid the law on job classes (5 people doing the work of 2) and hospitalization insurance (unitize with the salary program). The union was unwilling to budge and voted themselves out of a job. Not the smartest.

Your problem wasn't a union. Your problem was the people in charge of the union.

 

[robadams.legend]

^Well... some one obviously doesn't understand the fundamental goings on of where business managers and agents come from.

 

[robadams.legend]

You can stick a fork in Ilion.

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And yet you posted an article that says otherwise.

 

[40Shotguns]

^Well... some one obviously doesn't understand the fundamental goings on of where business managers and agents come from.

You have yet to refute my original statement. That being that union jobs pay higher wages and higher total compensation than non union jobs. That fact is not even debatable. Yet here you are.

I have to ask why you're against your fellow Americans making more money??

 

[RandyWakeman]

And yet you posted an article that says otherwise.

You need to read it again. Ilion will be history soon enough.

 

[robadams.legend]

You need to read it again. Ilion will be history soon enough.

Maybe you posted the wrong article randy. Because this one says they intend to keep making shotguns in ilion and are moving the 700 line out of state. So if your inferring something else you should just state it.