Remington 1100 versus 1187

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Red-Leg

· #3 · Dec 13, 2005

I have an 11-87 Sporting Clays with absolutely gorgeous wood that hasn't bobbled a round since I've owned it (around 2K rounds.) I've shot everything from light 7/8 target loads to 1 1/8 field loads, both factory and reloaded with nary a bobble. That said, I've only shot 2 3/4" shells in it so I can't comment on its reliability with 3".

I'd also add that it's a pretty dirty gas setup and I've never quite trusted the rubber gas seal though I haven't ever exprienced a problem with it. If I continue to shoot trap and skeet for the next couple of years I'll be looking to upgrade...either into a Beretta 391 or Benelli.

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Claydust

· #4 · Dec 13, 2005

Red-Leg said:
I'd also add that it's a pretty dirty gas setup and I've never quite trusted the rubber gas seal though I haven't ever exprienced a problem with it.

My wife's 1100TA Trap had about 35,000 rounds through it when we replaced the gas seal.

It didn't seem to need it but it was something we just did anyway.

I carry a spare for the new 1100 Classic Trap that I just bought only because it is an inexpensive item that is easy to carry; I do not expect to use it though in a hurry.

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kbosch74

Discussion Starter · #5 · Dec 13, 2005

Thanks for the info. Anyone else on the differences?

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Red-Leg

· #6 · Dec 13, 2005

Claydust said:
Red-Leg said:

I'd also add that it's a pretty dirty gas setup and I've never quite trusted the rubber gas seal though I haven't ever exprienced a problem with it.

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My wife's 1100TA Trap had about 35,000 rounds through it when we replaced the gas seal.

It didn't seem to need it but it was something we just did anyway.

I carry a spare for the new 1100 Classic Trap that I just bought only because it is an inexpensive item that is easy to carry; I do not expect to use it though in a hurry.

That's what I mean...I've never had a problem but it just gets blackened and brittle with use over time which makes me think of it as a weak point in the system. I'm glad to hear your wife's 1100 went 35K and still didn't need replacing. That certainly eases my concerns a bit.

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ruger4570

· #7 · Dec 14, 2005

I have owned a couple of 1100's but not an 11-87. The ones I have seen and shot along side of sure seem to have great wood. I have seen a few fail to cycle on the range with some handloads, but I wouldn't condemn them for it. I think for target shooting and most other shooting my choice would be the 1100.
The only time I can remember a 1100 failing to function was with a lady shooter that joined our league. She was shooting and the gun failed to cycle. We took it apart and found the tube was filthy, I wiped it down with a little CLP, removed most of the "gunk" and it went right on working
I have a Berreta 390 that I use a lot, and though it doesn't have a gas seal, the gas piston sure does get filthy and a little difficult to completly clean out at times. Guess there are no "perfect answers"

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deadapair

· #8 · Dec 14, 2005

TexasTon said:
The 1187 has a gas compensating system, supposed to use all available gas for light loads, then bleed off unneeded gas with heavy loads. JMO, it doesn't work, and I know 10 people will say theirs has been 45,000 rounds without a problem :roll: :roll:

I've probably been around 100 or so 1187's on Sporting ranges, one was the prettiest gun I have ever seen, but it failed to cycle so much it was put up and shot someone elses gun to finish. None of them------none, did not have issues with cycling some rounds. Clean/dirty or inbetween, I think the system needs work.

The 1100 is simpler, gas ports to the piston, no compensating device----once you learn what loads it will cycle and how to care for it, you know what your limitations are----and would be my choice of the two.

Next to the SuperX-1 Winchester, they are the lightest recoiling guns out there, but the SX hasn't been made in 25 years. :roll:

Your conclusion that the 11-87 design is flawed is not supported by anything other than your anecdotal evidence. Remington has made hundreds of thousands of 11-87s and your sample size is insignificant.

The 11-87's "compensating device" is a simple spring steel relief valve with NO moving parts. There is nothing to go wrong once it is built correctly. If the compensating valve left the factory working, it will work forever. It is one piece, and it is permanently attached to the gun, unlike Beretta's design.

I guess I must be one of those lucky ones whose 11-87 has yet to malfunction is about 3000 rounds and counting. It will cycle anything from 3" magnums to 7/8 oz 2 1/2 dram loads (Estate Mighty Lites) without fail.

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deadapair

· #9 · Dec 14, 2005

ruger4570 said:
I have a Berreta 390 that I use a lot, and though it doesn't have a gas seal, the gas piston sure does get filthy and a little difficult to completly clean out at times. Guess there are no "perfect answers"

Oh NO!!!!! The Italian Mob will be by to deliver a hit for insinuating that Berettas are not the easiest gas gun to clean!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

I USED to own a 390. It was replaced by an 11-87. I can say in complete confidence that the 11-87 takes less time to clean. By far.

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Red-Leg

· #10 · Dec 14, 2005

I will add that I just finished a 10 week trap season with my 11-87 and in that ten weeks plus numerous practice sessions it never failed to go bang and cycle. This is with Win AA factory loads and my reloads of the same using Clays. I have not cleaned it since before the season started.

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TexasTon

· #11 · Dec 14, 2005

deadapair said:
Your conclusion that the 11-87 design is flawed is not supported by anything other than your anecdotal evidence. Remington has made hundreds of thousands of 11-87s and your sample size is insignificant.

Possibly, though I doubt I am far off from my estimate of seeing at least 100 of them on courses, and don't remember one not giving fits. I also pay strict attention to those around me and what and how they shoot. When Remington brought out that (I think) Ladies version with the burgandy colored receiver and knock out wood, they were everywhere---Ladies and kids shooting them. Not one was on the course by the next year----I remember one specifically that I would have bought from a lady if she would have sold it---she is also the person that finished with another gun.

There is also a member here that would shoot nothing but an 1187 but he could not keep it together, jokingly, but in his exact words, he carried a tarp around to lay out in front of the cage to catch parts so he wouldn't have to dig thru the grass and weeds to recover them. Best pointing and highest scoring gun he ever had, but...............

If I did see 100 guns during that time frame-----and each shot a 100 target course which we were, that's 10K targets---if they would have made it thru the course, that isn't insignificant IMO. :?

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deadapair

· #12 · Dec 15, 2005

TexasTon said:
deadapair said:

Your conclusion that the 11-87 design is flawed is not supported by anything other than your anecdotal evidence. Remington has made hundreds of thousands of 11-87s and your sample size is insignificant.

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Possibly, though I doubt I am far off from my estimate of seeing at least 100 of them on courses, and don't remember one not giving fits. I also pay strict attention to those around me and what and how they shoot. When Remington brought out that (I think) Ladies version with the burgandy colored receiver and knock out wood, they were everywhere---Ladies and kids shooting them. Not one was on the course by the next year----I remember one specifically that I would have bought from a lady if she would have sold it---she is also the person that finished with another gun.

There is also a member here that would shoot nothing but an 1187 but he could not keep it together, jokingly, but in his exact words, he carried a tarp around to lay out in front of the cage to catch parts so he wouldn't have to dig thru the grass and weeds to recover them. Best pointing and highest scoring gun he ever had, but...............

If I did see 100 guns during that time frame-----and each shot a 100 target course which we were, that's 10K targets---if they would have made it thru the course, that isn't insignificant IMO. :?

Yes, of course. Red-Leg and I just got lucky.

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Claydust

· #13 · Dec 15, 2005

deadapair said:
Yes, of course. Red-Leg and I just got lucky.

So did we with my wife's 1100's and 11-87 Sporting Clays.

She has approx. 40,000 rounds through the 1100TA.

We have an old guy at the club with a early 1990's 11-87 trap gun. Despite his poor reloads, neglect and rough maintenance practices, after 10+ years of this on a weekly basis, this one still continues to function very reliably.

I have enough confidence in them that I just took delivery of a new 1100 Classic Trap. So far I am very pleased with my ability to shoot it, the fit/finish and the functioning.

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ruger4570

· #14 · Dec 16, 2005

Deadapair: I have owned both and like them both. I would be happy with either, it was just that I was in the market and the berreta had just plain incredable wood, I had to have it. Also and again, the Berreta is more difficult to clean, absolutly.

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wb

· #15 · Dec 16, 2005

Claydust said:
deadapair said:

Yes, of course. Red-Leg and I just got lucky.

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So did we with my wife's 1100's and 11-87 Sporting Clays.

She has approx. 40,000 rounds through the 1100TA.

We have an old guy at the club with a early 1990's 11-87 trap gun. Despite his poor reloads, neglect and rough maintenance practices, after 10+ years of this on a weekly basis, this one still continues to function very reliably.

:arrow: Same with my 1187 skeet gun, at least sixteen plus years old
and never missed a beat.
The one thing I've noticed with the target model 1187's is their gas system is darn near identical to the 1100,
where as the field model has the extra "spring" gizmo.
I've always wondered if it makes a difference in how the target model performs over the field version?

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