Needs a trigger job, badly. I already sent it off to Dave https://www.thefirearmsspecialists.com/gunsmithing .
The recoil pad is adequate, but not as generous as I'd like.
RandyWakeman
Needs a trigger job, badly. I already sent it off to Dave https://www.thefirearmsspecialists.com/gunsmithing .
The recoil pad is adequate, but not as generous as I'd like.
You're welcome. As mentioned, the trigger is the main issue on my example.longislandloco said:
Randy, if memory serves ( and it doesn`t serve like it used to..! ) , you didn`t have an issue with the Masai Mara`s trigger (?). If indeed that`s so, help me to understand dramatically different triggers in different model guns from the same manufacturer. Is that something that just naturally doesn`t lend itself to some sort of standardization? However, if the MM`s trigger was the same as the Gordian`s...never mind!
My favorite 'upland' Masai Mara, blued / walnut 24 inch / 3 inch, has a factory 3 lb. 2 oz. trigger. It is superb, compared to most shotgun repeating triggers.Tidefanatic said:
This trigger on the Gordion (the only Gordion I've tested) is tragically heavy. Whether it is the norm or an anomaly I don't know.
It is never good, but particularly obnoxious on lightweight guns. Same deal with the A5 SS. Same deal with the Mossberg SA-20, etc., etc., etc.
The test article is the new for 2020 Retay USA Gordion in Mossy Oak Bottomland Camo, with a 26 inch barrel. It is surprisingly light, weighing in at just over 6-1/2 pounds (6 lbs., 9 oz.). The trigger is excessively heavy, breaking at over five pounds if pulled briskly, but if squeezed breaks at a heavier weight than the gun itself. This Gordion needs a trigger job badly.
Precision Sports
4717 State Road 44
Oshkosh, WI. 54904
(920)230-4867
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Dave at Precision Sports found the trigger pull to be 7 lbs. out of the gun. The trigger work is already completed and on its way back, so we will see how it does.
4717 State Road 44
Oshkosh, WI. 54904
(920)230-4867
tfsoshkosh@gmail.com
Dave at Precision Sports found the trigger pull to be 7 lbs. out of the gun. The trigger work is already completed and on its way back, so we will see how it does.
Then, perhaps you're too easily aggravated-- :shock: . I've had trigger work done on test guns from Browning, Beretta, Benelli, Weatherby, Mossberg, S & W, Savage, Remington, T/C, Ruger, etc., etc., etc.Tidefanatic said:I would be very surprised if it isn`t just fine. For me personally, I`d be aggravated if I had to send most any gun new and just out of the box, out for pretty much anything. Maybe I`ve just been lucky since I never have!RandyWakeman said:Maybe as you said, that one was just an anomaly.
Maybe Tidefanatic just is able to adapt to the triggers on the models he got. Looking at his list of toys I don't see any that are known to have issues with the triggers. Different strokes for different folks.RandyWakeman said:Then, perhaps you're too easily aggravated-- :shock: . I've had trigger work done on test guns from Browning, Beretta, Benelli, Weatherby, Mossberg, S & W, Savage, Remington, T/C, Ruger, etc., etc., etc.Tidefanatic said:I would be very surprised if it isn`t just fine. For me personally, I`d be aggravated if I had to send most any gun new and just out of the box, out for pretty much anything. Maybe I`ve just been lucky since I never have!RandyWakeman said:
I don`t know.... You`d think I would have learned my lesson by now.RandyWakeman said:Then, perhaps you're too easily aggravated-- :shock: . I've had trigger work done on test guns from Browning, Beretta, Benelli, Weatherby, Mossberg, S & W, Savage, Remington, T/C, Ruger, etc., etc., etc.Tidefanatic said:I would be very surprised if it isn`t just fine. For me personally, I`d be aggravated if I had to send most any gun new and just out of the box, out for pretty much anything. Maybe I`ve just been lucky since I never have!RandyWakeman said:
I've had all of the above several times. The last SKB was a Model 600 and it was a brutally harsh shooter. I was quite happy to see it go. The 870 Expresses I've had needed trigger help. All of my B-80's have had trigger work. On your list, only my Fabarm L4S's and Remington V3's had excellent triggers right out of the box.Tidefanatic said:
My Benelli M2 weighs 6 lbs. on the nose. The M2 trigger, as supplied, breaks at a heavier weight than the entire gun at 6-1/2 pounds. Benelli USA adjusted it: it came back at 4-3/4 lbs. When I reviewed the Benelli Ultra Light, I found the trigger to wonderfully adequate, breaking at 5 lbs, 7 oz. Sadly, the Benelli Ethos trigger is worse, breaking at 6-1/4 lbs. or a bit more. The Ethos trigger break is just marginally lighter than the weight of the gun and that is a disappointment.
My 6 lb. 7 oz. Benelli Ethos is hardly dramatically lighter than the 6 lb. 9 oz. Retay Gordion.
The current ugly Ethos version has an MSRP of $2199.
The Retay Gordion camo has an MSRP of $899. That's enough for a lot of trigger jobs, leaving you with well over $1000 for other things.
Well, maybe I'm just not trigger sensitive. Just for interest, I did do the " Hang the gun by the trigger drill " on all my guns and they all snapped practically as I let them go.RandyWakeman said:I've had all of the above several times. The last SKB was a Model 600 and it was a brutally harsh shooter. I was quite happy to see it go. The 870 Expresses I've had needed trigger help. All of my B-80's have had trigger work. On your list, only my Fabarm L4S's and Remington V3's had excellent triggers right out of the box.Tidefanatic said:
My Benelli M2 weighs 6 lbs. on the nose. The M2 trigger, as supplied, breaks at a heavier weight than the entire gun at 6-1/2 pounds. Benelli USA adjusted it: it came back at 4-3/4 lbs. When I reviewed the Benelli Ultra Light, I found the trigger to wonderfully adequate, breaking at 5 lbs, 7 oz. Sadly, the Benelli Ethos trigger is worse, breaking at 6-1/4 lbs. or a bit more. The Ethos trigger break is just marginally lighter than the weight of the gun and that is a disappointment.
My 6 lb. 7 oz. Benelli Ethos is hardly dramatically lighter than the 6 lb. 9 oz. Retay Gordion.
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The current ugly Ethos version has an MSRP of $2199.
The Retay Gordion camo has an MSRP of $899. That's enough for a lot of trigger jobs, leaving you with well over $1000 for other things.
Seems like a meaningless discussion. If the owner, in this case Tidefanatic, doesn't have any issues with the trigger as supplied; well then why should we fret over it? I say live and let live.
I know from experience some folks are really not sensitive to trigger pull weight or quality. I fall into the camp that a really good trigger on a shotgun is appreciated almost as much as on a rifle. However, others don't care, or cannot detect any difference in them. Maybe it has to do with how they use the trigger on a shotgun.
I know from experience some folks are really not sensitive to trigger pull weight or quality. I fall into the camp that a really good trigger on a shotgun is appreciated almost as much as on a rifle. However, others don't care, or cannot detect any difference in them. Maybe it has to do with how they use the trigger on a shotgun.
It is hardly meaningless to Tidefanatic: otherwise he wouldn't have made seven comments about triggers. If you aren't interested in a lightweight inertia gun, or a Retay, then this thread shouldn't be of tremendously great interest.oyeme said:
Excellent triggers have quick lock-times, consistent pulls, and do make several guns more pleasant to shoot. Heavy triggers are the bane of lightweight guns. No one I know would want an excessively heavy or mushy trigger on a turkey gun, when using slugs for deer, or a target gun.
Of course it will. How much depends on the gun, the specific trigger, and what you are hunting.Tidefanatic said:
The whole point of hunting guns is to make them effortless and invisible during use: the goal being zero distractions. Center beads suck, as far as I'm concerned-- they are either invisible or they hit the garbage can. Some front beads are distracting as well, the reason many decise to scrap them.
If you struggle to get the safety off, it is a negative. If the trigger is distracting, that's a negative. If a shotgun doesn't mount smoothly, that's a negative. If recoil makes you blink, that's a negative. If a shotgun doesn't feel smooth and stable to you, that's a negative. The whole idea is to just look at your target and quickly, cleanly drop it. Anything that you are consciously aware of helps nothing, it just holds you back.
If you want to just look at a bird and slice off its head, you don't want any distractions at all, and a lousy trigger is certainly one of them.
Dave is quick: it is already back and in the gun. Now it is a crisp, 4 lb. trigger. Since the culprit seems to have been an excessively heavy hammer drive spring, the only thing that remains is to shoot it and make sure there are no light primer strikes.RandyWakeman said:
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Shotgun Trigger Jobs
We can perform trigger jobs on the following shotguns:
Benelli: Super Black Eagle 1,2,3, M1, M2, Ethos, Vinci, Super Vinci, Montefeltro, Nova
Winchester: Super X 2, Super X 3, Super X 4
Browning: Gold Series, Silver Series, New model A5, Maxus
Mossberg: SA-20
If you do not see your shotgun listed please call us and we can let you know if it is something we can work on.
Simply send us your Trigger Assembly ONLY along with a check for $85. This will cover the cost of the trigger work and return shipping. Please call us if you have any detailed questions we can help with. The work we perform will typically get your trigger weight somewhere from 4-5 pounds compared to most factory triggers at 6-8 pounds.
Shotgun Trigger Jobs
We can perform trigger jobs on the following shotguns:
Benelli: Super Black Eagle 1,2,3, M1, M2, Ethos, Vinci, Super Vinci, Montefeltro, Nova
Winchester: Super X 2, Super X 3, Super X 4
Browning: Gold Series, Silver Series, New model A5, Maxus
Mossberg: SA-20
If you do not see your shotgun listed please call us and we can let you know if it is something we can work on.
Simply send us your Trigger Assembly ONLY along with a check for $85. This will cover the cost of the trigger work and return shipping. Please call us if you have any detailed questions we can help with. The work we perform will typically get your trigger weight somewhere from 4-5 pounds compared to most factory triggers at 6-8 pounds.
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