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So I took my second deer using my Winchester 9410 firing 410 slugs. Here's the story of what happened.

So Monday morning (11/26/07), open day of modern gun season here in Ohio began with moderate temperatures but a steady down pour of rain. I was in the woods on the family farm near East Liverpool Ohio an hour before sunup. All of our older deer stands are 16ft ladder stands. My brother and father added two new stands early this fall that were 20fts stand. So Monday morning I am sitting in a 20 tree stand (dang, if that seems high when you in it) on the edge of large hickory and oak forest in a steady down pour of rain. The best part is dad found these cool umbrellas made for deer stands. They have a notch for the tree, are camo, and have a very slick mounting system to hold them to the tree.

So I am sitting bundled up in my bad weather hunting gear under a camo umbrella in a steady but windless down pouring rain. I was as snug as a bug in a rug but I had an extraordinarily sweet view. I probably could have sat there all day if the seat was just a touch more comfortable. It was as close to heaven as I have had in the woods in several years.

Well about 9:00am after not seen any deer my brother wanders over to my stand. He did not put up his umbrella and was soaked and decided to head in, getting dad on the way, and go back to the house for dry gear. I had already made preparation to stay out all day, rain or shine, I had packed extra gloves, hat, a light lunch and some water in my day pack. Bro looked at me funny when I said I am staying out in the rain but I was determined to make the most of opening day.

I headed south from my stand still hunting my way across a large open creek hollow. It took me about 40-45 minutes of still hunting (walk several yards, stop, look and listen for a minute or two and repeat) to cross the creek hollow and was about 60 yards short of the far ridge where I had stopped once again to look and listen. As I scanned the ridge a doe trots into view on the top of the ridge. Now this hillside I am climbing is above the larger hardwood trees and is transitioning to a large thicket of crab apple trees. So its a fairly close environment and such that where the doe stops I do not have a clear shot due to a larger number of small tree between us. But I cock and shoulder my Winchester 9410.

I have been using my Winchester 9410 410 shotgun for several years now, I took a modest 8 point buck back in 2003 with it but since that hunt I have found a much better slug (modified Brenneke 410 slugs) for it and had yet to take a deer using these new slugs so I was determined to shoot pretty much any deer I could except a very small buck or a yearling.

Now the excitement happens, I'm standing there, shotgun shouldered, waiting for the doe to step into the clear so I can take the shot when I catch motion out of the right edge of my vision. I turn my head, look and the follow thoughts flash through my head:

Deer.

Antlers!

Coming right for me!!!

HOLY **** IS HE CLOSE!!!

Well by this time, and no doubt my head motion clued him in, that buck realizes I am not a critter he wants to be around and puts the breaks on. He was moving very fast straight at me when he slams the breaks on, front feet spread, rear end down low with his hind legs sliding up between his front legs pushing up a pile of wet leaves. (Later I paced it out he came to a stopped nine paces (18 steps or a bit less the 14 yards) from where I was standing)

The next is just a series of images in my head. Having swung my gun and body around and I distinctly remember seeing the bright green fiber optic front sight right in the middle of his chest. A moment later he's gone, bounding to his left (my right) down the hill I had just come up. The only thing I thought at this point was "I am going to shoot him on the run." I remember seeing the front sight on his shoulder as he is streaking to my right. Now these where not those big lazy arching leaps you see when deer are just a little spooked this was *** to the ground putting ever effort into a maximizing a scrambling and desperate sprint. I fire two fast shots, bang, bang, I do not remember pulling the trigger or cycling the lever action. Everything was in full automatic mode; all I remember is watching the front sight on the deer and then that big deer crashing to the ground, sliding into a fallen tree.

Now I don't know for sure which slug hit where but I am pretty sure the first shot went just below his chest and hit the far side (left) front leg at what would be the elbow and came out just above the wrist joint. Somehow the slug did not hit bone breaking the leg. What I assume was the second shot, hit him about where the diaphragm would be front to back but high and it broke his back. He was down at that hit and could not move anything from the hit back and the spine hit pretty much dazed him. I move forward and down hill a several yards and put a final slug in his side. He was rolled toward me so the slug went in just below the shoulder blade and went down through the right lung, heart and clipped the bottom edge of the left lung. Death was almost immediate after that shot.

All of the above from first sighting of the doe to that final finishing shot took maybe twenty seconds at the most. The adrenaline was flowing like I have rarely experienced. It took me a minute or two just to decide what to do next. I thought to cycle my gun one last time to eject that last empty hull and realize I was empty (Ohio limits deer guns to three shots). It took me another moment to convince myself I had actually fired three times. I reloaded, engage the safety and looked him over. He was a very nice deer. Counting points showed him to be a very nicely symmetrical 10 point. Not a record breaker but a very solid example of a mature deer.

I finally remember that I had to put my tag on him, I also realize I was so hot I was about to catch on fire. They call it buck fever for a reason. I pull my pack off and put up my stand umbrella to make a small shelter threw my gun, pack, and heavy coat under it. Tagged the deer and then called my dad and brother on the cell phone. They had just got back to the house but turned right around, despite being cold and wet, to help me get the deer out of the woods. We weighed it back at the house and its field dressed out to 140 lbs so it was probably close to 180lbs live weight. I got two coolers of meat from the processor.

Here's the pictures:

First one is where he laid after I tagged him.

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Next is a few closeups of is head.

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Finally a picture of the deer, my Winchester 9410 and myself.

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I know a lot of people don't like deer hunting with 410 slugs but those Brenneke slugs performed very well for me. I did not recover any of the three slugs, all exited the deer. No surprise from the leg hit but the one that went through the spine exited in what appeared to be one piece and the one through the body cavity also exited after knocking out about 3 inches of the rib it hit going in. The ranges this time were much closer (20yards max) than the last deer I took with my Win 9410 so I did not get to test long range terminal performance with the new Brenneke slugs but given the ~50% increase in muzzle energy over the Remington Sluggers I used last time I have no doubt it would have work at 60yard even better than the Remington did.

I don't think this story will convince anyone that does not want to be convinced that you can successfully hunt deer with the 410 slug but I am personally completely convinced that for close range deer hunting in a shotgun limited state and heavy cover like eastern Ohio the Winchester 9410 and the Brenneke 410 slug is a very handy combination.

This also reinforce my notion that hunting is 10% skill 10% determination, and 80% luck. And luck favors the prepared. I am not sure I have done the experience justice here with my story but it was truly one of my most intense hunting experiences I have ever had.

Thanks for reading
mcb
 

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Congrat on a very nice buck. The improtant thing here is the experience and memories of hunts gone by. When I really stop and think why I love to hunt it is not about killing the biggest buck in the county, but the serenity I get by sitting in a tree and enjoying the time I have here on earth and reflecting on all the things I have to be gratful for today. And if I am so blessed to have a large or not so large animal come into range and I have the opportunity to squeeze off a round and harvest that animal then what more can I ask for.

That is quite a story and I would be proud to be able to tell it especially because it was with a .410.
 

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CONGRATS on taking two deer with that little Winny .410.
I'll betcha if the game warden sees someout with a lever action Winchester they would have a fit 'till the figured out it was in reality a shotgun. :lol:
I still think the .410 on the light side for deer but you obviously have put the time, effort, money, and skills into making it a deer worthy proposition.
I applaud you for your efforts and for reporting out so that others might benefit from your excellent experience.
By the way. You are hunting about a half hour south of where I live.
I'm just a taddy bit south of Columbiana Oh., about 6 miles south east of Salem Oh.
Glad to know there are some deer still left in Oh.
My immediate area around my country home is pretty much devoid of deer this year.
Too many highway kills?
Serious infection from Homoragic Disease this year? I hear it was bad in spots.
Poachers? Too many coyotes/feral dogs? Likely. The city dwellers dump unwanted "pets" on me all the time.
I digress as I am prone to do.
Sorry.
But once again congrates on the deer and most of all for doing the work required to become inimate with your equipment.
THAT is the message all should be reading here.
Good job! :D
 

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Hey, mcbirch, I too believe the .410 slug is completely adequate for deer within reasonable ranges.

Helped a friend get her first deer using a Saiga-410 loaded with slugs this season. Here is a link to the thread on the Saiga forum with all the goodies including the campfire story and pictures. Check it out and let me know what you think. :D

Yearling Whitetail Buck taken with Saiga-410,
Hunting sucess story
 

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Thanks for all the comments guys, it was a very good day hunting.

turbo1889 I liked your writeup. I have seriously kicked around getting a Saiga 410 but I like my Win 9410 so much I have resisted so far. But the option to use 3 inch 410 shell would be very nice.

jeager106 I did have one encounter with a Game Warden while hunting with my Win 9410. I was hunting squirrels on a small public hunting area near my house and as I returned to my car the game warden was in the parking area. We got talking, he was surveying hunters on how the nut crop was and how many squirrel we saw, when he notice my 9410. He thought I was hunting squirrel with a 30-30 for a minute. He had yet to hear of the 9410, after he got a look at it he thought it was a great squirrel gun.

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410 slug? why not check your states legal minimum caliber for a primitive weapon, many list the .40 caliber as minimum and i will bet that little slug has more punch at a reasonable range.
 

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whtsmoke said:
410 slug? why not check your states legal minimum caliber for a primitive weapon, many list the .40 caliber as minimum and i will bet that little slug has more punch at a reasonable range.
I suspect my 410 with Brenneke slugs is about the same or more energy than most 40 caliber muzzle loader loads. Figuring a 40cal round ball is about 93gr and you might get 1900 fps with a hot load that is about 745ft-lbs of energy. The Brenneke slugs in my Win 9410 are 114gr and going a touch over 2000fps for 1065ft-lbs of energy and are made from a fairly hard lead alloy so I get excellent penetration. All three slugs passed through on that buck this year.

Now the 40 cal muzzle loader is probably a bit more accurate. At 50yards I have manage to shoot a couple 2 inch, 5 shot groups with the 9410 but at 100yds (further than I would take a first shot at a deer) I only mange to put 4 of 5 shots in the vital area of deer target.

But I am willing to give up a little range given the terrain I hunt and the fact that I have three fast shots before I have to reload and reloads happen reasonable fast too. I would not have taken the shot at that running buck if I was hunting with my muzzle loader. Without the ready follow up shots I would most likely have passed on the attempt.

I do enjoy muzzle loader season and use an old Thompson Center Big Bore 58cal but during modern gun season my Win 9410 is always my first choice.

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Hey turbo, you need to be a member of that site and logged on in order to look at the pictures. Luckily I used to own a saiga in 7.62x39 so I was member there, just had to remember my log in since it has been a while since I visited it. My saiga was a complete POS and I traded to someone that thought it looked cool.

I'm not a big fan of head shots on deer to be honest. I think if you would have been more patient and waited for a better shot you could have taken it with one shot confidently.

Mcbirch, I am seriously thinking of taking the 9410 out next year. I think at bow ranges it should work pretty well.

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