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Seeking Opinions on IFG F.A.I.R. Iside Prestige Tartaruga Gold SxS

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I'm seeking opinions on the Iside Prestige Tartaruga Gold SxS in 12 gauge with a 3" chamber. I recently purchased after reading a white paper from Chuck Hawkes as his expertise in the firearms arena is unequaled. There were none better than Chuck. I've read his white papers for over ten years and always found his facts to be spot on.

*"Hawks of Creswell, Oregon died August 23, 2021 after a valiant two and one half year battle with Pancreatic cancer. He was born on January 13, 1945 to Lugene (Johnson) Hawks and Charles R. Hawks, Jr. in Los Angeles, California.

Here is the synopsis that Chuck scripted:

Comparing the two, I found the Iside Prestige TarTaruga Gold to be of better value and maybe better than the Beretta Parallelo. The Beretta is or was $5000.00 or better and the F.A.I.R Iside is around $2800.00 or better.
Key points is that the F.A.I.R Iside has a removal hinge pin, Beretta does not- Iside has Southgate ejectors that are perfectly timed and the Iside has better engraving according to the above content. These are just a few factors that led me to purchase the F.A.I.R. Iside Prestige Tartaruga Gold chambered in 12 gauge with a 28" barrel. Some frown on a 28" barrel especially with a 12 gauge, yet the 12 and 20 gauge are steel proofed unlike the 16, 28, and .410 gauge. The 20 gauge was out for me even with supposedly more choices of shot, so I went with the 12 gauge.

I'm due to pick the firearm up next week from the FFL dealer. I've already seen the shotgun as it does look impressive even rated as a third tier gun by some. However, all the parts in the firearm are subbed out to Fausti, Rizzini, Bettinsoli, Guarini, and many more to name a few. Dale Pancake part owner of I.F.G. stated this to me via telephone. The wood looks good and the shine on the barrels is the ultimate ( Deep polished Black). The color cased hardened receiver and engraving along with gold inlay pheasants are a nice touch, accompanied by five flush chokes, gold plated trigger, a pair of swivels, and choke wrench.



I'll post some pics when I receive the firearm next week. I would value all opinions adjoined to the content above. All replies are appreciated. A representative image inserted temporarily.
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I recently bought the base F.A.I.R. Iside in 28 ga. I absolutely love it. The wood on the base model is plain, there is no engraving, and it has extractors rather than ejectors. BUT it balances and shoots like a best gun, and weighs less than 6 lbs, which is great for an old guy with bad shoulders. I don't miss the ejectors- you seldom get more than 2 shots on a grouse or pheasant, and with extractors my empties don't get thrown all over the landscape where I can' t find them. This is a class gun to kill birds with, not to show off at the skeet field. I also have an AYA sidelock 20 ga, but I like the Iside better.
 
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** If you read my initial post #1 " However, all the parts in the firearm from F.A.I.R. are subbed out to Fausti, Rizzini, Bettinsoli, Guarini, and many more to name a few". In other words, F.A.I.R. provides all the parts to those manufacturers as F.A.I.R. is number two in the world. Dale Pancake part owner of IFG holding 49% specified this to me via phone. So, you tell me who has the edge and who maintains the machinery? Certainly, engraving and chopper lump barrels may determine a higher cost yet the demi-bloc barrels of F.A.I.R. are considered extremely strong.
 
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I have a standard Iside in 28 gauge, purchased in 2017. it is used it hard for small game hunting plus a few rounds of skeet & sporting clays. the last time I shot it I notices some bluing wear & frame case color wear from use/carrying.
other than that is has performed flawlessly. due to how well this gun has worked, in 2019 I purchased a FAIR Carrea One
HR 12 gauge for Trap, skeet & sporting clays. I use it but not as much as my CXT.
I recommend Fair guns & I know of 2 other shooters that bought a Fair, both like their guns. no issues with any of them.
 
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From that second picture, I can't quite tell if you have the back of the foreend all the way onto the reciever. It looks like it's off (but also just off frame in the photo).

Edit I zoomed in and it definitely looks off. You need to get the ears on the forened into the the place the go then rock the forend upwards
 
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Are you sure you have the correct forend? Have you had this shotgun assembled, or did you just unpack it?

Otherwise something has moved out of position. You said the screw inside the forearm is buggared? Red flag that someone might have messed it up. Barrel lug moving? It’s hard to diagnose all this without seeing it.
 
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* 'Buggared'? Post # 15 is damaged screw or release pin. I purchased new and picked up today at dealer (FFL). Yes, I just unpacked it. Incorrect forend, hopefully not!
 
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Bought online. Right now I'm dealing with Dale Pancake part owner of IFG located in Texas. He owns 49% but has the say.

** I figured out the issue with attaching the forend to the barrels without mounting, yet 'I still cannot attach the forend to the barrels when the barrels are locked up. Part #669 which may be the ejector (unknown to me) has to be extended on both barrels for the forend to seat properly. However, i cannot attach the forend to the barrels when closed. Here is a pic of the parts denoting # 669.

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Sorry for the bad video, rushed it. Hopefully you can determine a bit more.

OK, I watchED the video. The only think that MIGHT be an issue in how you're doing it is to have the forend angled away from the barrels more before you rock it into place, but if for some strange reason they shpped a gun that just never will assemble, I don't want to suggest something that MIGHT cause damage.
 
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*** Watch the Side by Side.
To angle the forend really does not make sense. However, I tried right and left and there's no way to insert the forend. I believe the correct way is to move straight on.
Yes straight on (not angled right or left), but angled down more away from the barrels--like in the FAIR video you just posted. Straight away from the barrels. She uses a steep angle then rocks it towards the barrels
 
#38 ·
Tried that as well without success. The problem is that the forend will not move back far enough to engage or fit in the groove (slot). I'm not going to force it.
 
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I found this on Shotgun Forum many years ago which may be relevant.
This may not work on all makes and models but, with the barrels locked into the frame and the top lever in the normal closed position, place the forearm against the knuckle of the frame. Push the top lever to the right and open the action while maintaining pressure against the knuckle. This may cock the hammers allowing you to push the forearm onto the barrel lug as you close the action.

FWIW, I routinely break down my SxS's and release the tension on the mainsprings by placing a block of wood against the standing breech and pull the triggers. Never had a problem assembling the barrels to the frame and snapping the forearm in place with the hammers down.

Find a hefty plank of wood and fix it on a stable surface, like a bench, then hold he forend vertically against the wood edge with the ejector hammers against the horizontal surface of the plank. Hold firmly against the vertical face of the plank and press down so the horizontal surface pushes back the ejector tumblers. It should cock them but it does take some effort.

Alternately you can open the barrels, as far as they can go without coming off the receiver and try to snap on the forend while the gun is open. It works on some guns, not all.
 
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I received this from Moira Facchini this morning. The link will only be visible for two days. All replies are appreciated. That part in question is not attached to the forend. This may be the problem. I must get some sleep.
 
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that is a video of the forend iron & cocking the ejector pieces. you should be able to cock them without taking the iron out of the forend.
however that does not look the same as the forend assembly on my Iside which is basically the same gun.
I may be missing something here ?
I cannot tell (2nd Picture).
 
#46 ·
The video assisted me as the forend now fits on with the barrels locked in position. I'm new with Side by Side shotguns, actually a rookie at that. I was able to cock the 'ejector' without removing the forearm as per video using a wood dowel. Relatively easy, yet the first try slipped as I did not move it far enough.

** As for storing should the hammers > i.e. firing pins be cocked or uncocked and could you brief me as to the process? Again, I'm unfamiliar with Side by Sides as bolt rifles are my forte.

Here are some pictures as the one with the red arrows denotes the proper position of the ( I do not know the name of the part) 'lever'. Could you provide actually where the selective lever should be for storage > Up or Down and how is the shotgun able to release the firing pin (hammers)? A reply is appreciated. Thank you for the assistance. I lightened the photo with the red arrows to show more of the lever.
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#47 ·
your forend looks the same as mine except for that lever/arm standing up. I do not know if a change was made on the forend assembly since I purchased it in 2017 as I do not see that arm/lever on my forend.

I prefer to store my guns with the hammers relaxed. the best way to do this is by using snap caps.
these are the style I like:

do not buy the plastic ones, they will break after a period of time. good luck & good shooting with your SxS (y)
 
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your forend looks the same as mine except for that lever/arm standing up. I do not know if a change was made on the forend assembly since I purchased it in 2017 as I do not see that arm/lever on my forend.
Are you speaking of the picture with the 'Red Arrows' referring to the lever?

I prefer to store my guns with the hammers relaxed. the best way to do this is by using snap caps.
these are the style I like:

do not buy the plastic ones, they will break after a period of time. good luck & good shooting with your SxS (y)
*** "your forend looks the same as mine except for that lever/arm standing up. I do not know if a change was made on the forend assembly since I purchased it in 2017 as I do not see that arm/lever on my forend".

Are you referring to my picture with the Red Arrows regarding the lever you do not have"?
Thanks very much. Now that the forend is attached, the barrels will "not open". Picture enclosed. Any ideas?
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Most new doubles (at least the ones I own) are stiff you open at first which is a sign of tight metal to metal tolerances. Berettas and my FAIRs have both been stiff--my 687 was so tight that when I opened it the force would move the spent hull so that it was no longer in contact with the ejector and it would not eject. The happened for maybe the first box of shells and it has been flawless for the next 24 years. Just lightly grease the mating surfaces and it will break in as they polish together with use (clean grease off and re-grease after using).
 
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yes, the red arrows indicate a lever/arm that I do not see on my forend.
being a new gun it will be stiff opening & closing. after shooting a few hundred rounds it should be a bit easier to operate.
before using your gun, lube (gun grease) all the mating surfaces of the receiver, barrels and forend that pivot when
opening & closing. have fun with that sweet SxS (y)
 
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yes, the red arrows indicate a lever/arm that I do not see on my forend.
being a new gun it will be stiff opening & closing. after shooting a few hundred rounds it should be a bit easier to operate.
before using your gun, lube (gun grease) all the mating surfaces of the receiver, barrels and forend that pivot when
opening & closing. have fun with that sweet SxS (y)
I'm uncertain if I wish to keep it. I'm in communication at this point.
* Is your forend difficult to remove?