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I have seen on this forum several references to mostly, I believe, O/U shooters that frown on being squadded with auto shooters because of the obvious shell ejection paths.

This is news to me and have not personally encountered this. The clubs I go to are very up front about not being able to pick up spent rounds but no rules about the ejection issue.

I know it COULD be distracting especially in trap but skeet and sporting should not be an issue.

Can fellow shooters enlighten me on this topic as I am a benelli shooter and do not plan on a change any time soon! :wink:

Thanks for the intelligent opinions in advance.......
 

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The only people I have seen who have been bothered by semi-auto's ejecting are Trap shooters, when coaching someone with a Remington 1100, I had comments about the d*mm noise of the shell hitting the ground puts me off. I had a suggestion for that.

There CAN be an issue with the USER of the semi-auto, as opposed to the actual gun, and that is to do with safety - and that can happen with any type of gun. If you are unsafe no-one will want you near them.

I think semi-auto users (and pump-gunners) get a bum reputation when it comes to safety.

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This is a good topic.

Even in trap, and even if you launched a shell right at the person on your right, they wouldn't be concentrating on a shot - they would be standing there, waiting on you to take your shot. So, I don't see why it should be a big deal. However, I'm pretty new to the clay shooting sports scene...

When I go to the gun range I don't care when someone shooting an auto launches a shell into my collar - it's just part of the deal.

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I've never encountered any snobbishness about the semi-auto, but found I simply don't like tossing hulls at people. My gun has bounced them off of the gun barrel/forend of the guy next to me, hit one guy in the head, landed one hull in a guy's mesh bag, and another in a different guy's breast pocket. I know I don't like getting hit by other's brass at the pistol range, so assume that folks don't like getting hit by my hulls on the trap line.

Unfortunately, I can't find a good shell catcher/deflector for my Winchester Super X-1. I can drill the barrel for a wire, but that seems pretty extreme, and doesn't do any good for doubles. T&S doesn't make anything for this gun. The deflector that Nu-Line sells is a bad joke.

In fact, I've found very little snobbishness at my club at all, but that is just my club. I hear the next nearest one is pretty full of themselves, and indeed showing up with a semi may get sour looks at the place others have told me, "Has $10K shotguns stacked up like cord wood."

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Our club requires all autos to have shell catchers or deflectors when trap shooting. This is a courtesy to those stationed next to the auto user to prevent empty hulls from bouncing off the next shooter or their equipment. Many shooters take pride in their gun's appearance and find nicks and dings from flying empties to be a source of contension. We have not had a problem from shooters, most auto users are more than willing to use a catcher for singles (a rubber band makes a cheap and easy catcher). Those that shoot trap doubles and don't have deflectors are left with an open station next to them. Most clubs I've been to do not have a requirement for these devices for league shooting but I've seen a number of registered trap flyers that stated autos would need shell catchers for singles.
 

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It's definitely a problem for trapshooters. I begin to prepare for a shot well before shouldering the gun, and it is distracting to constantly have empty hulls hitting you in the face, neck, arms. Not to mention dings to the gun that someone else mentioned.

Some semi autos seem to have a more annoying ejection path than others. I've been quite bothered with some guns while others don't seem to be much of a problem.

However, as a courtesy to other shooters, you should be using a shell catcher when shooting trap, no matter how your gun ejects.

As an O/U user, I'm even conscious of how I eject my shells when opening my gun. When competing, I usually remove them by hand rather than allowing them to fly. And in any case, I never allow them to fly in the direction of the puller.

It's just courtesy, imho.

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That is some great feedback guys and gals. I appreciate it very much. :D

I do not want to use a shell catcher so I will just squad with my wife - also an auto shooter and we will just toss at each other!
 

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I don't mean the following comments to be negative towards anyone, thought they might be read that way. Where I shhot trap one can tell the trap only specialists from the hunters by who cares about where shells fly. Aside from that, the area between the shooting lanes is grassed (so it looks like five radiationg sidewalks, in case you've never seen) hence no noise form ejected hulls hitting the ground.
 

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Nothing against Trap shooters but I have found they tend to be a picky lot. They do like to get in a rythm to shoot and things like flying hulls could be a distraction. No me it's being a little to anal. But as someone else mentioned, if you shoot an auto and will be shooting registered targets or just with a serious squad, put a heavy rubber band on your gun and it will catch the hull for you. I guess you could booger up some hulls this way and if you reload you might mess up some of the mouths on the hulls. If it's a real problem just make sure you get squaded with more casual shooters and let the hulls FLY ! :lol: :lol:

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My father and I both shoot semi-autos (Winchester SX2 and Benelli Super Black Eagle, respectively) and most people don't really care. I've been looking around for shell catchers for both guns, and AFAIK, noone makes them. We'll probably try the rubber band trick the next time we go shooting though. Actually, the only anal person we've come across was a guy who told my dad that he was standing too far back from the line between shots the last time we went shooting. My dad usually takes one step back after he shoots (basically moves his front foot to where his back foot is), only loads the gun right before he shoots (you can hear the bolt closing easily), and puts on the safety after he shoots (the click is pretty obvious).
 
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We shoot a game called wobble....it's shot in 5 stations, the middle being the highest in altitude and going down to the outside...like a pyramid. When there's an auto shooter above you, I have to turn and shield my gun....sacrificing the back of my neck and head. It's really annoying. No problems with SC and Trap though. If I got a dent from an empty hull from an auto I would go ballistic. Although $2,500 Berettas don't repair themselves.
 
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First of all I know a lot of very picky trap shooters that let themselves get distracted out of their mental game way too easy. They get upset if someone on the squad takes too long or they call for the bird different, or if they do this or that. If it's that easy to get distracted and frustrated the problem isn't the distraction. Really want to destroy their day, put them on the bank of houses at the grand american that is directly behind the runway at the dayton international airport so close you can fell the vibration at takeoff and feel the hot wind hit you from take off and makes targets fly weird with the hot updrafts.

I think it's a mistake to ban auto's because so many hunters/casual and even pro shooters use them. Next they'd want pump's gone cause they eject shells too. I think it's much better handled on a case by case basis cause usually it's not a problem.

I don't think it would be a problem with skeet since everyone seems to stay behind the shooter shooting, same with sporting it should be easy to stay out of the way of hulls at all times.

Personally as long as someone isn't hitting me with hot brass in the head or upper torso, I don't mind where the hulls go. Never had someone bounce brass of my perazzi......that could end in the first trapshooting fatality :). I think if you have someone bouncing hulls off you and your equipment repeatedly though that's grounds to complain. I mean after all I doubt any shooter would appreciate having hulls thrown at them or their gun while shooting. For what it's worth I've shot thousands and thousands of tournament rounds and I've only been hit by probably a handfull of automatic hulls, usually what happens is I get hit in the foot or leg after one hits the concrete and bounces over to me on the 16yd line.

What I don't understand is why many of these shotgun manufacturers that make trap/sporting/skeet autoloaders don't build a shell deflection peice into them to make sure the hulls are ejected downward in a more sharp angle. The shell catchers work nice unless you are shooting doubles. Even hunting guns could benefit from this, or at least I could see no downside as it should not effect ejection at all the shell is still going to clear the gun. I suppose because auto hunting guns far far outsell autos bought for target purposes and hunters have no desire for a deflector.

I'm not sure what to do aside a deflection plate for doubles, aside having a large bag to the side of the gun like swat/spec ops use for hull catchers. No one is going to want to have that hanging off their nice auto. Maybe even a bottom eject auto, ala browning BPS pump, that would actually be kinda cool.

I know my benelli M1 puts trap hulls nicely about 4' to my right but if I put a heavy load in there it can really sling them, 3" mags could easily peg another shooter well above the waist.

I don't know about the benelli SBE but I know T&S I think it is makes one for the benelli M1 but you have to send the bolt handle in to be slightly modified. Might not fit the SBE though.
 
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I just got my shell catcher last night. I was feeling bad about hitting my teammates all the time. I'll try it out at league tonight and see if they notice.
 
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