[tareddy123]

I have a 12G SBS shot gun with inscriptions -

Bayord- Ancetable Pieper
Herstal-Belgique
Serial Number 16287

Can some one shed light on this item and let me know when this gun could have been made and how valuable it is.

Thank you.

Ananth :lol:

 

[natty bumpo]

Its worth $50 to $1000 until we get some info on the gun, such as, Hammerless or external hammers, sidelock or boxlock, and condition, Barrel length, amount of engraving, if any. Bushrod

 

[MrBen]

Your gun was made by the Belgian company founded by Heri Pieper. The company was know by several different names over the years, one of the best-known of which is "LES ANCIENS ETABLISSEMENTS PIEPER". The Co. was better known (in the USA, anyway) for their pocket pistols sold under the brand name of Bayard than for their shotguns.

Pieper (and Bayard) shotguns tend to be rather plain, utilitarian, and made to compete in the medium-price market. However, they were strong, well-made, and very servicable.

There is more information on Heri Pieper and the several companies that descended from his original company here: http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/a% ... s%20gb.htm

 

[tareddy123]

Its worth $50 to $1000 until we get some info on the gun, such as, Hammerless or external hammers, sidelock or boxlock, and condition, Barrel length, amount of engraving, if any. Bushrod

The gun has external hammers and boxlock, good condition. Barrel length is 26 inches. No engraving.

 

[natty bumpo]

Probably about $150 to $250.. Bushrod

 

[MrBen]

The gun has external hammers and boxlock

Bushrod, help me with this, maybe I just overlooked something obvious.

I am under the impression that there is no such thing as a boxlock with external hammers. If it has hammers, it is a sidelock, by definition.

Now somebody will probably come back with info on a gunmaker that once invented a boxlock with external hammers, but if so it is an oddity, and I doubt that Pieper ever made one.

Not that it matters - by stating that the gun has hammers, the type has been defined adequately. I'm just splitting hairs.

 

[Alonzo Tubbs]

Mr. Ben, I'm aghast!!! Could a man as knowledgeable as you have overlooked the Ithaca Baker Model or the New Ithaca Gun? Both were hammered box locks. I'll bet anyone with the ambition to look deeper could find others but it's early on my day off and I'm lazy

'Lonzo

 

[natty bumpo]

It has half the lock work on the side of the frame, maybe a hybred.. I think the better word would be "box Frame".. It seems, when there are no removable side plates, it's called a boxlock.. Except Lefevers. In other words. I don't have an answer.. Bushrod