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Skeet Hot Box

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In a January, 2022 CTN article about referees there was a reference to moving from station 8 to station 1 called Hot Box (there’s no need for the obvious jokes). I only occasionally shoot skeet using the John Shima incomer drill so my knowledge of skeet is superficial. A search of the site didn’t offer an explanation of what this means.
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If everybody on the squad is ok with not being able to view targets at 1, then have at it. If any one person on the squad objects, I say no to the concept. Everybody from lead off, to tail end charlie, pays the same money to play and is entitled to the same rules and benefits unless they opt out.
But at the same time there is NO reason for a squad to drag around an1:35- 1:45. It is rude to the referee and the shooters following them.
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Even when one of our regulars is missing and we are assigned a fill in I ask the fill in if they are ok with it. Never had one even want to watch. Actually I don’t even call for a pair, only look at high and low.
But at the same time there is NO reason for a squad to drag around an1:35- 1:45. It is rude to the referee and the shooters following them.
You'll get no argument from me that it shouldn't take over 90 minutes. Or even close to 90. I've been on the receiving end of some mighty slow squads shooting ahead of ours. The caveat being someone with a disability. One innovation, a marvel of technology, that I like is the round indicator. You know, those little boxes with 4 or 5 short pieces of pvc sticking out, so you know before you get out of the car if the death march squad is in front of you. Take a nap in the AC instead.
Even when one of our regulars is missing and we are assigned a fill in I ask the fill in if they are ok with it. Never had one even want to watch. Actually I don’t even call for a pair, only look at high and low.
I know you're considerate, and most folks bringing up the rear don't care anyway. Always good etiquette to confirm. (y)
I shoot lead off most of the time. The 'Hot Box' method I was taught was shooters 1 & 2 loaded 30 shells in their vest pocket/shell pouch. The 5 extra shells are in case the option shot is needed on Station 1. A full box of 25 is loaded for rounds 2 & 3. The box with only 20 shells left in it is loaded for round 4. As lead off shooter, I look at all 4 look targets on round 1. On rounds 2, 3, & 4 I only call for a High House single look target before shooting Station 1. I do this only to verify that the power is still on and to clear that machines target in case that target had changed position on the machine arm due to vibrations. I have never experienced target flight paths changing significantly between rounds at a registered event, so IMHO, there is no need to see all 4 look targets at the beginning of rounds 2, 3, & 4. The rules allow Shooter #1 to see all 4 at the beginning of each round and I have no problem with you doing so if that is your choice. I don’t see any need for me to do it.

As to Shooters 2 thru 5, they get to see all 4 targets as each shooter in front of them shoot the Station. To say or think they are being deprived of seeing the targets before they shoot is ludicrous. Hot boxing is not needed for some squads, but does speed up the game whenever used.
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But at the same time there is NO reason for a squad to drag around an1:35- 1:45. It is rude to the referee and the shooters following them.
Squads can easily shoot in less than 1:30 without doing the Hot Box Boogie.
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Squads can easily shoot in less than 1:30 with out doing the Hot Box Boogie.
And there are squads that will take longer than 1:30 even while doing the 'Hot Box Boogie.' But in the majority of slower squads (who know they are a tad slow), hot boxing will help them make it through on time. And to the best of my knowledge, using the technique is 100% voluntary.
I personally don't like it, and don't feel a need for it. Our squad does just fine on time. I never know the guy behind me's score, because he is firing his gun as I am still walking way. I never see his birds.
You guys have show birds in skeet? Never heard of that. Never got any when I was shooting registered skeet. Is this something new? I quit about 5/6 years ago. Only shoot for fun now.
You guys have show birds in skeet? Never heard of that. Never got any when I was shooting registered skeet. Is this something new? I quit about 5/6 years ago. Only shoot for fun now.
What kind of "skeet" you been shooting? I've started shooting in about 1982, and the lead off shooter on station one gets to look at a bird out of each house, plus a pair, each box. Could be considered a bit wasteful, but that's the way it's been for decades.
AA when I quit because of back issues.
Don't remember getting any show birds. After the squad has shot the first round.
I’ve shot NSSA skeet for 26 years, which includes most of the shoots from GA to VA to NY to OH, KY MI, and Texas. There has been a high 1, L1, and a pair show target before every round for shooter #1 if desired .
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You guys have show birds in skeet? Never heard of that. Never got any when I was shooting registered skeet. Is this something new? I quit about 5/6 years ago. Only shoot for fun now.
I’m not sure if you're serious or not AHI, but direct from the NSSA Rule Book - III-B-3-a: “At the beginning of each round the squad shall be entitled to observe two (2) regular targets from each skeet house and shall have the option of observing one regular target after each irregular target.”

It’s been that way since I started shooting registered Skeet in 1986. You'll note that it doesn't specify 2 single targets and a pair; just 2 targets from each house. But almost without exception, shooter #1 will call for 1 high house target, 1 low house target, and 1 pair. Very hard to imagine you don't remember that during registered events or you weren't completly knowledgable of all the rules as a AA Class shooter.
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As I remember. Maybe no one that I shot with needed a show target. That I shot with. yes. Before your first 25. You got to see the targets at station #1. No one ever asked for them on the second 25(50). Third 25(75). or the forth 25(100).
The unofficial rule at our club for casual skeet rounds is everyone, individually, is allowed to ask to "see one" prior to their first round of the day. We don't all gather on station 1 and watch together. Most guys don't ask for one and in case there is a slow moving straggler at the end, we don't have to wait for him to get over there. Asking to "see one" on your second round or later is not advised, as its not worth the ribbing you will get.

Competitions - we follow the rules noted above.
I lead off most of the time in registered skeet. I look at a high bird and that's it. That low bird takes a long time to get to you so there is plenty of time to "view" it when it's time to shoot. This thread has gotten off the rails, as do many of them. Good luck.
Do you ask your squadmates if they are satisfied with the targets?
Of course he doesn't. 🤣
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