Stoeger Coach Gun
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I think these are perfect home defense guns.
Two triggers, means 2 firing pins. In the computer world we call this High Availability.
Easy to load, point, shoot. Not too many moving parts to get gummed up.
What do lion and hippo hunters shoot? That's right DOUBLE GUNS!
Two triggers, means 2 firing pins. In the computer world we call this High Availability.
Easy to load, point, shoot. Not too many moving parts to get gummed up.
What do lion and hippo hunters shoot? That's right DOUBLE GUNS!
Thanks because I have been thinking of buying a Stoeger Silverado Coach Gun 12 gauge Double for home defense.
What would be some of the other advantages a double might have over a pump gun for home defense and which shells would be best to use in it?
What would be some of the other advantages a double might have over a pump gun for home defense and which shells would be best to use in it?
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Personally, I want more than 2 rounds available to me. But if it was all I had I would make do with it.
Edit: You slipped a reply in while I was composing mine.
I question the "benefit" of having only two shots. As I said above, you could "make do" with a double barrel if that's all you've got. But if you're going out to buy a home defense gun, I'd suggest a pump with an extended mag tube.
You might also check out the "Tactical Shotguns" section of this forum. Lots of info there.
-- Sam
Edit: You slipped a reply in while I was composing mine.
I question the "benefit" of having only two shots. As I said above, you could "make do" with a double barrel if that's all you've got. But if you're going out to buy a home defense gun, I'd suggest a pump with an extended mag tube.
You might also check out the "Tactical Shotguns" section of this forum. Lots of info there.
-- Sam
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SamL,
Here is the reason I'd prefer a double over a pump.
Let's say we have a Model 1300 or 870 and you shoot a bird load cause that's what your lawyer advised.
Now let's add in some adrenaline and a very tense situation and you decide to slide that safety off, boom, you short shuck the round and the gun decides not to shuck that shell, the next sound from your gun is CLICK or nothing at all.
How many people are you shooting at in a home defense situation? I think by and large it's ONE or maybe two.
It only takes one to either scare or kill, I've got one extra the way I see it.
Plus let's say your inside of 30" from the intruder, I'd think it would be easier to use your double barrel as a baseball bat. Just fits the hands better for taking one deep.
Here is the reason I'd prefer a double over a pump.
Let's say we have a Model 1300 or 870 and you shoot a bird load cause that's what your lawyer advised.
Now let's add in some adrenaline and a very tense situation and you decide to slide that safety off, boom, you short shuck the round and the gun decides not to shuck that shell, the next sound from your gun is CLICK or nothing at all.
How many people are you shooting at in a home defense situation? I think by and large it's ONE or maybe two.
It only takes one to either scare or kill, I've got one extra the way I see it.
Plus let's say your inside of 30" from the intruder, I'd think it would be easier to use your double barrel as a baseball bat. Just fits the hands better for taking one deep.
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Why should you want or need more than 2 shots? Your not going to renact D-day in your own house :lol: .
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Hopefully not.clayshooter25/25 said:
Because the "conventional wisdom" among home protectionists is to have as much ammo at your disposal as possible. "The first rule of a gunfight is to bring a (loaded) gun."
In that afore-mentioned stressful situation it will be very easy to miss your target. Now you've got one shot left. What happens if there are two (or more) of them? What happens if 3 guys break your door down in a home invasion type scenario? I'd trust my ability to not short-shuck my pump more than I'd trust my ability to not run out of shells at an inopportune time.
I'm not one of these Tactical Ted types that doesn't go to the bathroom unarmed, either. Heck, I try to be the "voice of reason" over in the Tactical Shotguns forum, where it sounds like some people are just waiting for the opportunity to unload on someone. I really don't want to ever have to shoot anyone, but if I'm in the position of having to defend myself I do not want to be limited by the capacity of my equipment.
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I'm not into the tactical stuff either SamL mostly I just like short sxs over short pumps and I also think your lawyer would have an easier time defending you from the lawsuit your intruders family will bring if you have a coach gun.
Just my .02.
Just my .02.
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That would depend on the "tactical".Aries said:
A Coach Gun is 36-1/2" long (just checked the site, nice guy that I am...
). My Mossberg 500 with a 18.5" barrel on it is somewhere around 35" (I know it's shorter than my 37" 10/22). Too close to make a distinction. Your mileage may vary depending on stock and barrel length.Hey, whack the stock off at the pistol grip on that coach gun and you'll have something really small. (Legal notice: NO, I am not actually suggesting anyone do this!)
Another edit, to addresss a post entered while I was typing:
Huh? Reloading a double might make a tad less noise than racking a pump (I almost typed "pimp"
), but the break-open is still going to make some noise. Whether this would come into play in a defensive scenario is questionable. Most people want the sound of the pump, as another possible detriment to the criminal.As for reloading a double faster than you can work the slide on a pump? I don't think so...
-- Sam
I think at least part of this subject is training. Rule #2 in a gunfight: you're much more likely to be able to do what you're trained to do. For the person with only basic gun training, I like the short double. For people with NO gun safety training and no gun experience, I like a can of mace or a nine iron :lol: For somebody with a tactical course or other solid experience and training under their belt, I like the pump. I have an 18.5" barrel for my HD 870, but that's all the modifying I'm going to do. I'd feel ok with the double too, just wouldn't prefer it.
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I've been thinking about picking up a coach myself for H/D.
A big reason for this is I want something I can leave loaded and not have to worry about a spring inside a feed tube "setting".
Is this a valid point :?:
A big reason for this is I want something I can leave loaded and not have to worry about a spring inside a feed tube "setting".
Is this a valid point :?:
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A SXS would be good for HD needs. My 12 gauge Mossberg is good for HD needs. As long as it goes bang when you pull the trigger(s) it is suitable. If you won't be shooting it a lot and sitting loaded until needed a SXS is hard to beat due to most simple shotgun around (very important). If you will be shooting it regularly, a pump would be better due to more rounds fired quicker once you master pumping in a stressful situation.
I have a 40 S&W handgun as my by the bed HD gun because it is smaller and very easy to bring into action. 15 shots help also.
If I hade time I would get my 12 gauge (6shots) or my 40 carbine rifle (11 shots). Which ever one I had my wife would have the other one or be on the cell/phone to the police.
Having a SXS would be very good and good for your wife/girlfriend if they don't shot a lot due to easy action.
I have a 40 S&W handgun as my by the bed HD gun because it is smaller and very easy to bring into action. 15 shots help also.
If I hade time I would get my 12 gauge (6shots) or my 40 carbine rifle (11 shots). Which ever one I had my wife would have the other one or be on the cell/phone to the police.
Having a SXS would be very good and good for your wife/girlfriend if they don't shot a lot due to easy action.
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Except, perhaps, the sound of a pump gun being racked.
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Personally, I like the idea of the double backed up with a pistol.
I'll probably get jumped on for this, but I keep a loaded Uplander (an 870 before I got the Stoeger) under the bed and a little .380 Baretta stuck in the mattress (plus a couple of other arms strategically located in other parts of the house). I come from the school of thought that an unloaded pistol equates to nothing more than a rock and and unloaded long gun is nothing more than a club.
With my combination, I figure I've got 11, reliable shots close at hand and all could do considerable damage in the situation where you would be shooting at extremely close range.
I also hope and pray that I'd never have to use any of them.
I'll probably get jumped on for this, but I keep a loaded Uplander (an 870 before I got the Stoeger) under the bed and a little .380 Baretta stuck in the mattress (plus a couple of other arms strategically located in other parts of the house). I come from the school of thought that an unloaded pistol equates to nothing more than a rock and and unloaded long gun is nothing more than a club.
With my combination, I figure I've got 11, reliable shots close at hand and all could do considerable damage in the situation where you would be shooting at extremely close range.
I also hope and pray that I'd never have to use any of them.
The most likely senario is a burglar breaking in just to steal your stuff, not a "home invasion", unless your doing some work on the side or sleeping w/ someones wife.
Most burglars are pu**ies - and surprisingly fast runners.
I say rack the pump and watch how fast he runs.
Positives - No messy cleanup, no legal hassles
Negatives - He could steal someone elses stuff (not really your problem), He could come back to your place to "seek revenge" (i know someone would post this as a reply, nut it is highly unlikely, after all, he's a pu**sy.
Most burglars are pu**ies - and surprisingly fast runners.
I say rack the pump and watch how fast he runs.
Positives - No messy cleanup, no legal hassles
Negatives - He could steal someone elses stuff (not really your problem), He could come back to your place to "seek revenge" (i know someone would post this as a reply, nut it is highly unlikely, after all, he's a pu**sy.
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