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Anyone got a good turkey load recipe for 2 3/4, 12 gauge shells?
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Lex Talio
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(3/17/03 5:47:01 pm)
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What choke constriction do you have? Do you specialize in calling the birds in close? About what range do you want the best performance? best Regards, James

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(3/18/03 1:46:58 am)
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Got a full set of screw in chokes from turkey super full to skeet.

I use my trap gun for hunting turks but it only shoots 2 3/4 shells plus the cost of turkey loads is sky high.

I want to shoot as many #4's as I can pack in a 2 3/4 shell. So far about the best wad I've found only recomends about an once and a half, maybe 5/8's.

Some of the longer mag shells shoot up to 2 onces.

I'm looking for some kind of wad that will let me put more shot into these shorter shells.
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(3/18/03 6:05:57 pm)
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Ive loaded some 1 1/2 oz loads in 2 3/4 shells, and it seems like there wouldnt be anymore room for more shot. That slower burning powder is more bulky, and takes more grains to do the job. Can barely fit it all in there as it is..
heres my load data-

www.hodgdon.com/data/shot...win118.php

using the Win AA hull, 36.5 gr. HS-7, win209, Rem RP12, 1 1/2 oz. shot, 1260 FPS

Why not use a 3" shell ? more room, more shot..

Chad_E

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(3/21/03 3:31:04 am)
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Thanks. That's pretty much what I'm already using. I just wondered if anyone else had any thing I didn't know about.

My gun only holds the smaller shells.
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(3/25/03 12:53:35 am)
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This is an ounce and a half of #4's on top of a charge of Blue Dot. bushing 171 as recommended in my Lee Load All chart. Felt pretty potent.

One shot out of the Mossberg, wide fat and off center, as usuall for Mossbergs.

One shot out of my 11-87 trap with the turkey full choke tube. Looks pretty good and right on target.

Both these were at 25 yards. These wads say on the package they will hold up to an ounce and seven eights. But I don't have charge data for that heavy a load yet.

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Rick618
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(3/25/03 10:00:23 am)
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There is a load book offered by Ballistic Products called the Turkey Ranger Data, runs about $3 from them. You might give them a shout and see if they offer a load in that manual that will suit your needs.

Another option, but expensive is to contact Nitro and try some of their offerings and then attempt to recreate. They are using BP components, out of the one load that I tried, I did not find a wad, just the parts of the teflon sleeve. I haven't wanted to tear open one of these shells as they run $3 ea. We shot 4 shells, 2 were the Nitro 2.25 oz 3" 4,5,7.5. Found wads from a Remington factory shell and a Nitro Nickle 5's, but none from the other 2. If they used a card or spacer along with the teflon sleeves they would be increasing the volume of the hull by the amount taken up by the shotcup and cushion on the wad.
I'm not suggesting anyone try this on their own, but further checking into the Nitro process could get you the extra pellets that you want.

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(3/31/03 9:01:18 pm)
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Jack, that is still not a lot of shot in that turkey head from your 11-87, did you have a super full choke in the Mossberg, because i've seen my friends shoot Mossbergs with super full choke and shoot at those targets from 35 yards and that pattern was as tight as i have ever seen. Mossberg12

JackRyann
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(4/1/03 2:19:05 am)
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That's with the XX turkey Full choke tube that came with the gun. I did try a Star Bright after market tube. When I opened the package it turned out to be the same constriction as the one I already had. For some reason it was a lot worse than the factory choke so I took it back already.

Keep in mind these are only 1.5 ounce loads at 25 yards and your comment is the reason I'm still playing with them. If I can't do better than this I'll just go with factory loads.
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Mossberg12
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(4/1/03 9:05:00 pm)
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The Mossberg 500 does not come with a XX full turkey load, and your last posts, you said it was a 500. You are confusing me.

JackRyann
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(4/2/03 3:17:20 am)
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I'll look at it again. I'm sure it's a 5oo model. I've read so many choke labels lately I could have gotten that confused.
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Rick618
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(4/2/03 6:41:13 am)
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Have you tried the same load with smaller shot? At 25-35 yds #6's are going to do everything that needs to be done to a turkey. Generally you will see better patterns with that and your pellet count goes up.
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Lex Talio
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(4/2/03 10:24:35 am)
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Excellent run on on this subject! Now.......With the repopulation of the wild turkey in the States, an entire new market has evolved! Everyone....gun makers, ammo makers, choke tube makers, etc. are all jumping on this markets to cut out a share. This has caused a great deal of pure old Bull to be floating around! The worst of all is the syndicated writers pushing sale on the Freebies and whatever the largest advetisers are selling. Somewhere in all this hype are the facts. Some of you might not like what I say, but having been around it for a long time, I'm sick of seeing this bull pushed on shooters.
First of all.....Today's writers would have you believe it takes a connon to kill a turkey. Over the 50 years I have hunted turkey, I find it a wonderment that we killed some many with a 12 ga. 12 2 3/4" loaded with 1 1/4oz. of #5's. If a shooter holds his shots under 35 yards, all he needs is a standard 3 3/4-1 1/4-#5 load. The problem in the past was having enough choke constriction. Now the problem is overchoke. When one goes to more than .030" constriction, a new set of rules come into play. My favorite turkey gun (used also for test) is a 12 ga. 3"- 30"VR - BPS pump - with .740" barrel and a .040" constriction in the turkey tube......but this is a specialized long range gun and hundreds of loads/patterns were tested before I finished.
I would be interested in the constriction in gun in question. I have found that when the constriction reached .035" plus.....the wall thickness of your wad must be reduced.
Forget those "Turkey Head" targets, move out to 40 yards, and test your average number of pellets in a 10" circle. If the shot is closer in...great, but you really can't tell much about the pattern in close.
When I first talked to Jay about this Reloading Catagory....I mentioned I want to see a broad subject base. We will be dicussing many interesting things we have been testing (reloading)....long range specialized loads, slugs for both smooth and rifled barrels, single and multi-balls loads, the relationship of wad wall thickness to barrel constriction, the use of Ms Moly sprayed on your wads, various shot. and many more. All are things the serious relaoder can play with! Let's all jump in on these! Best Regards, James

JackRyann
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(4/3/03 1:25:04 am)
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You are right about the 6's. I still have about 20 pounds of 4's I bought to load for ducks I haven't used up yet.

When those are gone though I'll prolly go with 5's for turkey loads though.
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JackRyann
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(4/14/03 12:19:30 am)
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Mossberg 500, C or A I don't remember. The choke is labeled 670 XX Turkey Full.

I shot a couple Federal 3" Mags with 2 ounces of #6's out of this the other day. If that won't kill 'em they are tuffer'n I am.
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Lex Talio
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(4/14/03 8:43:37 am)
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This is an excellent thread and shows that there are some "iffy" areas. One is, It is not important how much shot is in the shell, but rather how many shot the shell puts in a 10" circle at 40 to 50 yards. Second, one must understand that the smaller pellets run out of energy much faster than larger ones. It is a fad today to talk about head shots close in, but......that's counting on a perfect situation. Most of us tend to misjudge distance. #6's run out of 3 lbs of energy between 20 yards (3.49) and 40 yards (2.23) at 1200 fps (faster than most magnum loads). If.....all shots taken were inside of 30 yards, everything would be fine.
Years ago, I too believed in multple hits with small shot. I soon realized that a mis-judgement is distance caused a "dusted" bird, only to die later. Penetration is of prime important, in both the turkey and geese. Please study your energy tables vs velocity....test your loads penetration on stacked pieces of cardboard. Best Regards, James
 
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