If we get into it with Russia over Ukraine, target ammo will be the least of our concerns.
bc

 

Supply has been reduced, but I can go to the local Walmart and Farm and Fleet and buy ammo right now. I can also go online and order ammo. It just depends if you want to pay the current prices. None of it is imported ammo.

You seem to overlook demand as a reason for supply being reduced.

 

You seem to overlook demand as a reason for supply being reduced.

Why is demand reducing supply?

 

US shotgun ammo supply has been reduced by -

It hasn't been reduced at all. Winchester / Federal / Remington / Fiocchi are supplying more ammo than ever before. Demand is up, supply is up, it is just that supply cannot currently catch up with 15,000,000 new shooters quickly. Labor shortages are holding things back.

 

I don't get what people don't understand about 15,000,000 new shooters

 

Current production seems to be currently more focused on metallic; hopefully as the shelves remain full of metallic, they'll start to really crank out shotshell ammo.
Where I live, Shotshell ammo is VERY limited at any price

 

Where I live, Shotshell ammo is VERY limited at any price

As it is here.

Federal has started a subscription service for 3 of their pistol ammunition offerings. The service is called 'Federal Connection'.

Initially, shooters can subscribe to some of Federal's most popular American Eagle loads, 115-grain 9mm Luger (AE9DP, $139.99 per month), 180-grain 40 S&W (AE40R1, $151.99 per month) and 200-grain 45 Auto, (AE45A, $169.99 per month)

Users must commit to a one-year subscription; limit one subscription per caliber per household. Early subscription cancellation incurs a $300 fee. Only available in states where it is legal to order ammunition online.

Shotgun ammunition may, or may not, be added later. Just like toilet paper last year, ammunition demand will eventually slow down, and we will once again be able to find what we need locally.

 

Another side to the supply chain issues in the transportation side of the equation. Huge pressure on all the various modes of moving materials whether is is raw materials to factory or finished product to any of its varied destinations. Once finished, most ammo usually is making 2-3 stops along the way to the end user.

Heavy need for capacity which is stretched pretty thin now and the same covid outages everyone is experiencing.

Just another ingredient in this mess. It is hard to say how much product is staged or somewhere in the shipping process.

 

Loss of imported ammo
Imported ammo is about all I'm seeing at the sporting clays ranges in my area of central Florida. I did see some ammo at the local Walmart this morning. Maybe 25 boxes total Remington and Federal. Half of that total was Federal 28 gauge.

 

Look at the ammo available. Clearly there is more profit in making self defense ammunition than $9 a box target ammo.

 

I don’t buy that half or one tenth of the new shooters are shooting clay targets either. Look at your local clubs- how many new people have started since the beginning of 2021? Certainly not 1 for every ten shooters there. They just aren’t making as much target shotgun ammo, plain and simple. I’m sure the reason is they are making more by making 9mm and .223 ammo. When/where does it get better? I’m hoping by the middle of 2022, but I’m not sure it’ll be that soon.

 

I don’t buy that half or one tenth of the new shooters are shooting clay targets either. Look at your local clubs- how many new people have started since the beginning of 2021?.

A lot of new people have started shooting. The winter 5 stand at our club is the largest it has ever been. Over 600 shooters. Some of them dont even own a gun yet, they rent club guns. If you dont believe my numbers check here, its a link to the scores.

http://www.waukeshagunclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1-23-2021-22-Winter-5-Stand-Score-Log.pdf

Steve

 

I've been telling people for a while now that having one entity own several brands is a bad idea... In this case Vista controls what we get to shoot. They are more worried about profits than keeping shooters happy.

 

The only loss of import ammo is Russian Import, other countries still importing ammo into the USA.
If we cant keep Toilet Paper and Paper Towels on shelves why would ammo be any different?
Supply and Demand, Hoarders and that equals $$increases.

 

NC and GA set records in registered targets thrown this year. NC did it without having a regional shoot or a US open. NC was up around 20%. Walk in/retail volume was up substantially at most clubs. There are lots of new faces and D and C class shooters at our registered events. Also there are several new dedicated competitors working there way quickly through the classes. We have some really great range owners that have worked hard to keep the shooters in ammo. Many of them extended themselves financially to secure inventory. I have seen more brands of ammo than you can imagine. Shooters can be very resourceful at finding something to put in their guns. We are all addicts!
Many people have not been able to go to movies, do not want to mask up to go out to eat, and don’t feel safe going on cruises. They are spending entertainment dollars on outdoor activities like shooting in my very humble opinion.

 

Automobile shortage: less production, same demand.

Ammo shortage: more production, huge increase in demand.

 

Ammo shortage: more production, huge increase in demand.

Increased demand because of more shooting, or increased demand because of Bidenphobia?

 

In 18 months from January 1, 2020 to June 30, 2021 Illinois residents purchased 13.4 million guns. 4% of the population (12.7 million residents) purchased over 20% of the firearms sold in the country.

We have a gun shop in the county to the south that has an indoor pistol range. They are running classes for new shooters and female shooters nonstop. The club where I shoot sporting was actually down in shooters this past year from personal observations. Fewer people on the course than in past years. Some of the weekend fundraisers had much fewer people in attendance. The club had shells available but people do not like paying $9/box.

 

Can someone please tell me where these so called hoarders are getting shells?

 

I know that in this area you can go to Walmart and get 3 boxes of ammo. Somedays that is three 100 packs, other days it is three boxes of 25, and somedays it can be three buckets of .22 ammo with 1400 bullets in a bucket. I was told there are people buying at the stores to resell at gun shows.

I have a hunting buddy who shoots 50 shells every Wednesday year round. He used to just pick up a couple 100 packs as needed. He recently decided to build up his inventory and bought 3000 shells at Walmart. He bought 300 per visit. It took him about a month to acquire the shells.

 

sure they do.
but if number one is getting 9 bucks a box they know they can get it too.

look how cheddites just went from 39 to 59 a brick.
that isn't 15% by anyone's math.

 

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It’s the prerogative of stupid people to pay stupid prices.

 

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That's a very reasonable price, considering you're getting around $20 or so of UPS freight included.

 

$12 a box for low end 12 gauge target ammo is very reasonable? That doesn’t include tax!
Some folks are living in an alternative universe.

 

With all the free money that was handed out and all the other issues, consumers chased product and began scooping up everything in site. Inventory went way down and prices went up. Not hard to figure out. What will be interesting is when all this economic easing and free money dries up which way will inventory and prices go?

 

I am buying 1 1/8oz reloads in aa hulls for 85.00 a case from a fellow shooter, no need to "shop" also traded him 5000 primers for a few cases of the same

 

15,000.000 new gun owners...... there certainly must have been a glut of weapons on the market...... Seems I can go downtown or on line and still find firearms of all sorts...... Perhaps the 15,000,000 purchasers is a bit high? Larry

 

CAC -

Cannot order online.

Difficult to determine what is in stock.

Difficult to determine shipping charges.

3% Charge for using credit card.

 

all true, but still one of the best suppliers out there for quality product/reasonable price.

 

I have to believe the hoarding aspect is past, that usually is a short lived phenomenon. I know a lot of shooters, and I don’t think any of them are hoarding, maybe they wouldn’t say.

Youth shooting is up, those teams go through a lot of shells. That is maybe a new demand.

 

There may not be hoarding, but most shooters are keeping more in their inventory and buying when they have the opportunity. Higher prices will (have?) tamp that.

 

One good result of the shortage is that it has brought out some different brands of ammo to try. My club got in a load of B&P in 1 and 1 1/8 oz., selling for around $90 a flat. Owner said it was what he could get right now. If not for the shortage, I doubt I would have ever tried it. I like the stuff. If they can keep selling it for $90 a flat while Rem STSs are going for $140 plus a flat, then I'm a B&P convert.

 

The reason you see B&P is because they were acquired by Fiocchi who manufactures shells in the US.