Sounds nice! Can you post photos? Hard to give much info without them.

Adam

 

Sorry, I didn't take pics.

 

Almost impossible to tell what it is worth without pictures.

The prices for used Spanish guns is way down due to the influx of used guns with low prices from Spain.

 

Is there an influx of used spanish "best quality" highly engraved sidelocks?

Also price on spanish guns dropping... could this be because the Euro is dropping like a hot rock, US economy and unemplyment is still high, etc, etc.?

possibly if someone is familiar with the Riviera model side lock in this configuration they might have some info on the gun and maybe an idea what they are worth?

 

There have been a lot of posts in the recent past about the influx of Spanish guns coming available. My view if you like and feel it is a good value buy it. I have let a number of guns go by that were priced ok.

If you want an opinion on the value, I think you need to post pics or the link where it is for sale so people can see the pics at least share the price.

 

I do not have pics of the actual gun because I met the person today at a gun show.

Here is a pic of a similar gun I found on the internet and this is exactly what the receiver looks like. I can buy it for between $550 and $600 (believe it or not the difference will be on the flip of a coin)

Thanks for the replies and information thus far. Please let me know where this arsenal of great spanish guns is...... I may want to persure it for some shotgun buying activities

 

Is there an influx of used spanish "best quality" highly engraved sidelocks?

'Best quality' is, I'm afraid, something of a rubber yardstick as it begs the question 'Best in what way, or for what purpose?'

With that caveat made, the rush of Spanish guns has contained some sidelocks with bushed firing pins, gas relief valves, articulated triggers, and engraving coverage that goes up to 100%. Folks are welcome to judge the quality of such guns for themselves :wink:

Alas, the really nice guns don't last long as the folks who hang out here suffer from both SDD and gun avarice, and circle the auction sites like hawks over a rabbit hutch :lol:

For reference, see these threads:

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viewtopic.php?f=126&t=211389

viewtopic.php?f=126&t=211659

And in the interest of balance to show things don't always turn out well:

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Here is a pic of a similar gun I found on the internet and this is exactly what the receiver looks like. I can buy it for between $550 and $600 (believe it or not the difference will be on the flip of a coin)

If the gun in question is mechanically sound, had perfect bores, no rust, and generally presents well I'd be tempted at $500. But the influx of hundreds of Spanish shotguns has really hit Spanish shotgun values hard, which is why I used the word 'tempted'. At $300 or even $350, I'd be more than tempted. In three of four years, after the flood of Spanish guns has ebbed, I'd be more than tempted at $500. But right now, That's top dollar or beyond, IMO.

 

THANKS Kyrie!! Wasn't sure if this was a super deal because it is difficult to tell what model it matches up to in the blue book and others on line.

So does this mean the value of new LCS Uggie grade V I just bought is affected by this in flux of used spanish guns? Or does it some how escape this?

 

Most Basque gunmakers have model specific engraving patterns. These may vary, however, when building price point guns for a bulk quantity importer. The photo that you posted is definitely that of a Victor Sarasqueta Model 6 or 6E (ejectors); NOT a J.J. Sarasqueta Riviera model. A V.S. gun will have the letters V and S within an elongated oval or a running rabbit with a V and S enclosed with an elongated diamond stamped on the watertable. A J.J. Sarasqueta gun will have the letters JJ stamped on the watertable.

Depending upon condition, $600.- may be a good price. As always, check the online auctions to view current real life prices PAID.

Also, check out that stock discoloration next to the frame and sidelocks to determine if oil has softened the wood which may require a new ($$$$) stock.

Montani Semper Liberi

 

Here are a couple more that have turned out well, but there are more out there that can turn out badly if you can't see the signs. It really is a roll of the dice. All of these guns cost me right at $300, so $500-$600 is really may be too high unless it it truly a sound gun without problems. I hate to say it, but yes, your new gun is affected. Right now I can buy Arrietas at the $3500 mark. There are some real deals out there right now.

AZ sidelock

Arizaga sidelock

Jabe boxlock

 

Thanks Chorizo. Excellent advice. Wish I knew this a month ago. I could have bought 10 guns for the price of the LCS.

Very beautiful guns. Did you have to do a lot of refinishing? Do youhave a decription of the work you typically do to these?

The particular one I am looking at is in good shape. To get it looking like your guns pictured here would require some work but it is in much better shape then many of the older guns I see pitured for sale.

 

cmg - several of us have bought guns that need a lot of stock refinishing. Unless the stock is broken or cracked all it takes is patience to produce a beautiful-looking gun. The actual materials are cheap - it's the time. I bought a gun that had the recoil pad taped on with electrical tape! The gun was little-used and mechanically fine but the horrid-looking stock made it very cheap.

There are some pitfalls in doing this, esp buying the guns online and it will be worth your time to look back at some of the threads on this forum.

On the other hand, you're gambling a few hundred bucks and at the worst you wind up with a gun that you use to learn new skills. Tuition, if you will!

 

Frank really sums it up well.

Here is what I do:

I break the gun down and give the gun a complete cleaning on the metal work using a bronze brush for those areas that may have rust working diligently and gently to remove any rust without damaging finish. I clean the bores and give them a polish using Flexhone (Brownells is where I purchase all of my tools, supplies and equipment) Repair any problems to the actions (I have none to date...very lucky) Rub barrels with Oxphoblue. I detail inspect the stock for any flaws and prior to and after stripping it. Repair as needed. Chemical strip, wipe down with acetone to get rid of stripper, soak and remove any excess oil contamination with acetone. Steam to remove all dents and gouges. Fit buttpad. Very, very light 220/440 sanding to remove wood burrs, blend gouges/ dents, stain with a spirit stain and finish with truoil or linspeed oil. Reassemble.

A couple of weeks at most, each of these took about 7 days.

As Frank said do a search in the forum and go back several years in your search. There are lots of tips and suggestions on how to do it.

 

the intersting things about the gun I saw yesterday is:

I saw it in person, not on the internet
it is tight and functions
could not see any rust
stock was already in good shape and had a butt pad fitted to it nicely, only problem with the butt pad is it says Pachmyr on it... ugh!)
Visibly there was a little discoloration in a few places (kind of like patina)
Some oil stain in the wood at top and bottom of lock.

I am not as handy as you at refinishing... I a m better with blunt objects if you know what I mean. It sounds like Chorizo is the guy to hire to rifinish guns.

Does 16ga make it wirth less or does that not really affect it?

Anyway, thanks for all the info... you guys are awesome.

 

I'm not sure but I think these days a 16 ga is worth a premium.

You mention that the gun has ejectors - does it have an articulated trigger?

If everything on the gun is good and you want it, are you really going to worry about paying $400 vs $500?

I know it's 20% but think in terms of market basket - couple of tanks of gas? Restaurant meal? Lets you see it from a different perspective, doesn't it?

 

If it is a 16 ga and has ejectors, and is in good of condition as you say, It is worth $500

 

If it is a 16 ga and has ejectors, and is in good of condition as you say, It is worth $500

I concur. There are those amongst us for whom the phrase '16 gauge' is magical. Mutter that phrase to them, and their caution and frugality go mythical. Of course I'd know nothing of such thing personally, and base my comments purely upon rumor :roll:

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only problem with the butt pad is it says Pachmyr on it... ugh!)

Easily remedied at absolutely no cost. Remove the pad and put it in your freezer. Remove from freezer when hard and just sand off the Pachmayr lettering with wet-or-dry sandpaper. If the pad has the pebble grain or leather texture, start with 180 grit and work up to 360 until the pad looks the way it should.

I have a Parker Bros. VH 20 gauge with a Winchester 1922 Patent Date Pad on it, and I'm the only one who knows because once the Winchester lettering is sanded off, it looks like the perfect vintage pad for that gun.

 

Or it could come out like this: I bought this Mendicute 16 ga sidelock 1941 proof in Spain for 50,000 pesetas (A little under $300)

It is a jewel.

If you let me know where it is at, if you don't buy it, I will :twisted:

 

Well I bought it, but you probably new that was going to happen. Got it for $450. Chokes are M & IM. Having trouble figuring out the date though. Can not find any rust on it. There are a few scratches in the barrels and some blueing worn off but not bad. Really the worst thing is some oil in the wood, but not bad. I think the very slight discoloration on the receiver is just old oil the dried and might even come off with cleaner. Triggers, Hammers and ejecters all operate as expected and the gun is still tight. Recevier inside seems well made, no excessive tooling marks etc.

After looking at the condition of the $300 spanish guns on Gunbroker, gunsamerica, etc., I feel like this was a good purchase for $450.

I will post pictures later. Thanks for everyone's help!!!

Chorizo..... do you refinish these beuties for other people? If so PM me where you are located and how much you charge. Of course if you get your hands on this one... I might not get it back.

 

Chorizo..... do you refinish these beuties for other people? If so PM me where you are located and how much you charge. Of course if you get your hands on this one... I might not get it back.

First, congratulations on your purchase. With the barrels in you left hand and turned with the flats toward you, you should find a letter ( for example A) or a letter and number ( for example A*1) in the lower left hand side of the flats.

Secondly, no, Sir, I do not. Thank you for the compliment, but I am a hobbiest at best and do my own work. I wouldn't dare begin to do it for others. But you can do it yourself. It is easy enough. PM "Goldhky" I walked him through it and I am sure he would pass it on to you as I did to him. And when I say it is easy, it surely is, as I have the patience and the skills of a 2 years old and I was able to do it. But if you want to ship the gun to me, I would be glad to take it off of your hands! :wink:

Before you do anything with it: Get yourself a decent set of thin bit screwdrivers and do NOT bugger up the screw heads. That is the single biggest error of all and what you see most commonly screwed up on the guns.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=425/ ... IN_BIT_SET

Enjoy the project, you will learn a lot about your gun and how they work!

 

Ok folks.... Here it is. Please tell me what you think, Did I do good or bad? Sorry the pictures are not great, I do not have a good camera, just the one in my phone. The discoloration on the receiver kind of feels like laquer or some kind of film but not sure what it is. I am guessing there is a way to clean the metal. Would love some step by step guidance on making this as pretty as it can be. The gun is a little short and the butt pad is thin so I was thinking I might get a little thicker butt pad fitted. The blueing needs touched up or redone and the receiver needs the yellowish film removed. The wood is pretty good already.

Thanks Chorizo, I do have a 90 piece Wheeler screw driver set and should be OK on having the right sizes to keep the screws from getting buggered up.

 

You did very well!

I still recommend that you get the thin bit set. The wheeler set will not have the correct thin bits for these Spanish guns.

If you bugger the screws you will forever be sorry.

 

Is it a Victor Sarasqueta or a J.J. Sarasqueta. I somehow missed that outcome in the evaluation?
Looks like you did really well buying this at $450.

 

The wood is beautiful! Congrats! If you're going to do the pad yourself, check out the NECG "Quick-mount" recoil pad - it can be slid off and it comes in several thicknesses. Check out their website - I put these on a half dozen guns and am giving one to my nephew wh o need a much shorter LOP and it won't be a problem.