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What beretta competition gun is most like a 686?

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#1 ·
I have a Beretta 686 SP1 sporting which I have been using almost exclusively for sporting clays. I have gotten pretty good with it and have started to compete a fair bit so I decided it was time to get a “serious competition gun” within my budget. I purchased a 694 sporting online and while I love the look and feel of the gun, I felt bad about ditching my 686. I reasoned that I could keep the 686 as my game gun and have the 694 as my dedicated clays gun. Unfortunately I have realized so far I can’t hit crap with the 694 unless I make some adjustments to my shooting, which will then affect my performance with the 686 in the field. The problem seems to be the comb on the 694 being significantly higher than the 686. So my question is, does beretta offer a competition gun with more similar fit to the 686 than the 694 I have now? The thought has crossed my mind to sell one or the other. What would you guys do? I don’t think switching between guns is going to be as practical or viable as I had hoped.
 
#9 ·
Comparing the fixed stock to the adjustable stock on a 694 in person side by side. The adjustable stock is lower all the way down. I don't know what the specks actually say. This is just my observation comparing the two in person.
When an adjustable comb is installed material is removed. If you specify it can be lowered several millimeters.(4+) I believe I've added 6 mm in height to my 694 comb. That's what it took to make it visually the same as the SP1 sporting it replaced. 1 mm is a lot when adjusting a stock believe it or not.
 
#5 ·
Rasps, files, and abrasive papers can be your friend. Work carefully to bring the dimensions down to that of your 686. Get it close (1/8" or so) and move to progressively finer grit papers until you're there. Finishing with oil is covered in numerous posts here.
Keep in mind that you may need to remove a bit of wood from the side of the comb as well as the top.
 
#13 ·
If you really can’t hit anything with the 694 it’s either you or the gun. Realistically, the comb height difference might account for up to 6” in height at 40 yards, right? Did you pattern the 694 to actually see if it is shooting to POA? They have been known to have issues with barrels shooting to the wrong place.

IF the 694 actually shoots as it’s supposed to, I’d advise you learn to shoot it. It’s going to be your primary gun. Your game gun will be used a lot less. You can also lay some moleskin on the comb of your game gun later on to shoot more like the 694.

You’ve invested serious money in the 694. Go pattern it and make sure it checks out. If it does, make an investment in your shooting and your relationship with the gun. Do not waste more money on TSK stocks or whatnot.
 
#26 ·
I have both guns
A 30" Beretta 686 Onyx Pro Sporting and a 32" 694 Sporting.

I still shoot my 686 for Sporting Clays and Skeet sometimes. Didn't like the extra weight or feel of the 694 for shooting Sporting Clays

The 694 I'm using for Trap singles and doubles and doing well with it in those.

Also have a 30" 28 gauge SP1 mostly for Skeet, and subgauge Sporting Clays
 
#27 ·
As someone has already mentioned. Get out a straight edge and your tape measure and see what the difference is in the drop, after getting solid numbers, you can do it the old school way. It doesn't cost a dime this way.
Wrap a small rag around the stk on the 686, then tape it so that it doesn't fall off. Take pics of cardboard 3" wide x 7" long, form them over a PC of round anything you may have laying around. You want the 686 stk the same height as the 694. Tape it solidly to your 686 stk and go shoot it. If, as you say, you cacan'hit as well as the 686 this will answer a lot of ??? Before you run out and spend money foolishly.. the process takes about 10 min once you have materials
 
#29 ·
I shoot 4 drastically different guns in competition. And for the most part shoot them all equally well. Because I took the time to make each of them fit me perfectly and balance in a similar manner. Start with your primary competition gun. Get the LoP dialed in first. Then the pitch. Then the comb. Pattern it with a dynamic gun. Make sure it is hitting where you are looking. Balance it to your personal preference with stock or barrel weights. I recommend slightly stock heavy from a point exactly between your hands in a normal mounted position. Then do the same with any additional guns you shoot. If you get them all hitting where you are looking with a similar balance then you will shoot them all relatively well. Overall weight has some impact. But it’s negligible. My primary gun is a Krieghoff Prosporter and also shoot a CZ pump, Dickinson SXS, and a Beretta A400 extreme plus for 3 bird events and hunting.
 
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#38 ·
In addition to the suggestion of taking both to the patterning board (+1 to that idea), have you gone to a gun shop or spoken with an instructor to check your gun fit and mount? I was in a similar situation to you - I have an Silver Pigeon S (same thing as the 1, but with glossy wood) that I shot for years and years before ever having someone look at my fit and mount. When I got other guns (mostly SA for hunting) and couldn't shoot them as well, I came to realize I'd learned and been practicing poor gun mount/fit for years with my 686. The 686 field gun had way too much drop for me and to shoot it well I had to hold my cheek up so it was just touching the comb - not a more solid "cheek weld" like many say is ideal. In the end, I put a gel-tek pad on my 686, started practicing proper fit/mounting more consistently, and now having adjusted my other guns to have similar geometry, my shooting is also a lot more consistent from gun to gun.

I'm not trying to imply you're not mounting properly or that the 686 doesn't fit, but worth a double-check before you start hacking away at the stock on your 694 or consider the costly proposition of gunsmithing or getting a different gun. For me, a $35 cheek pad and a 10 minute conversation with someone at the club fixed everything...