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Will you have to cut the stock in order to install a pad or do you need the extra length of pull ?
Are you giving any thought to period correct ?
I was going to suggest that you do not cut the stock. Profile the back of the pad to match the contour in the wood then fit accordingly. Once you cut it there's no going back.
 
Stinky Pete, just curious, you ever shot a gun with a Falconsrike?
No, I have not.
When a company makes claims like "80% less recoil energy", "converts recoil energy (up to 80%) into heat", "35% less muzzle lift", "25% less peak force", and "35% less rock back", they lost me as a customer. I have a degree in Physics and years of practical experience in mechanical engineering.

Their agreement says "Satisfaction Garauntee- less recoil or your money back." Sure, it will have less perceived recoil than a steel or india rubnber plate, but less recoil than what? Double your IQ, or no money back!

The pad costs $200 instead of $40, makes outlandish claims, only available 1 3/16" thick means I have to cut my stock, is ugly as sin, weighs 5.5-6 ounces (vs 4 or less for a Pachmayer) and I am not terrifically recoil sensitive anyhow.

That's at least 307% pure misleading baloney. Let me point some things out:

A butt pad doesn't reduce recoil. That would violate Newton's Laws. It spreads the transfer of momentum from the shotgun out over time. You'd rather have Bruce Lee push your chest than punch it, both actions making you take a few steps back.

Beretta has an interesting youtube video showing how their nearly-as-ugly-as-FS mechanical system spreads momentum transfer out over time. "Real" physics classes require the students to have a couple semesters of Calculus, because all this stuff inovolves functions over time. Forces cause things to move over time. The details of how they move over time is very important and described perfectly by Calculus. Example... Your chauffeur Jeeves accelerates the Rolls smoothly up to 55 miles per hour as you enjoy a cup of tea in the back. The next day, your teenage daughter Elona accelerates the Tesla up to 55 miles per hour using Insanity mode, snapping your head back and slopping tea all over your morning coat and tie. Both cars end up at 55 miles per hour. A recoil pad slows down the transfer of forces, like Jeeves's judicious use of the accelerator pedal.
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Note that the area under each curve must be the same. That's the total "recoil"... but it's much more pleasant to have that sharp white peak spread out over time.
Springs and shock absorbers or a hydraulic fluid... these are used in many places in industry. I just like less crap bolted to my simple shotgun. Crap fails over time (and I expect a shotgun to work for at least 70 years) or when least convenient.


"35% less muzzle lift" ... the butt pad doesn't reduce recoil. That would violate Newton's Laws. Muzzle lift comes from the force from the bore axis above or below the mount to the shoulder. Change the pitch angle of the buttstock and you can make the muzzle drop instead of rise. Just using no butt pad or plate at all.

"80% less recoil energy"... what is "recoil energy"??? Are telling me that if I put their pad on my 686, my 1.25 ounce target loads will suddenly feel ilke (1.00-0.8) x 1.25 = 0.25 ounce loads?
Really? Like shooting half a .410 shell? Really??? If that were true, we would have heard about it from anyone that bought one. 10 gauge goose loads are now powderpuffs?

"converts recoil energy (up to 80%) into heat". Double your IQ, or no money back! Copper is really good at converting mechanical energy into heat. Strike a penny on an anvil with a hammer 25 times, it will get very hot. Do not put your finger between the penny and anvil and hit with a hammer. Your neighbors will hear your scream of pain. Don't try padding your finger with a hockey puck, either. 4 inches of Styrofoam will protect your finger because the pressure curve is spread out. Yeah, heat... but it's how steep (d/dt and second derivative) that pressure is delivered that counts.

"25 % less peak force"... sure. Look at the Beretta graphs. The Kickoff peak is 40% less. That's good. I believe that. Smushing the peak down and spreading it out is how this recoil reduction stuff works. It's how a tube of mercury works, too, creating sloshes.

"35% less rock back" .. uh... They said there was 80% less recoil energy. Why don't you have 80% less rock back? Oh... they mean... recoil energy is the change in momentum over time, spreading out the time.. but that has to be constant because unless it's a nuclear reaction, energy is neither created or destroyed.. uh.. if your REALLY want to feel recoil, put your back to a brick wall, THEN shoot your shotgun! Ow! See what I did there, talking about smacking your finger with hammer on an anvil? Rock back of your body reduces perceived recoil!

So no, I have not shot with a Falcon Strike recoil pad. I expect they work about as well as the Beretta kick-off butt pad system, maybe a bit better because the hydraulics are nifty. But.. do they feel squshy? How long before that rubber dries out and mechanical flexing causes a leak? What about when it's really cold or really hot? I don't know. But I can post a picture of a Pachmayer pad that is 40 years old and still works well enough to shoot a round of clays.

I don't like the Beretta systems that put polymer plastics in my wood butt stock. Those will dry out over time. I have really nice 70 year old shotguns. I expect a chunk of wood to be working in 150 years. Replace a butt pad? No big deal.

But I am not cutting my beautiful walnut buttstock so I can install a 1 3/16" buttpad that looks like a chunk of motorcycle innertube.

If you want recoil like a .410... ain't nothing wrong with... a .410!

I am a liberal communist hippy, but I like conservative things like fine hardwoods, blued metal, scotch whiskey, home made beer. I don't need someone to mix fizzy water and vodka in a can for me, I know the recipe! Epoxy and acrylic resins are better than pine pitch, most of the time. I don't mind progress, I have a titanium hip I would reccomend to anyone as better than arthritis. But sometiems there are inventions looking for a problem to solve....

Rant off. Thanks for your attention. If you bought a Falcon Strike and think it's the best thing ever, cool. Tell us about it, but compare it to the Beretta Kickoff system... because the mechanical complexity matters to me. Remember.. my nice pads cost $40 and I have a belt sander and grind my own pads.
 
No, I have not.
When a company makes claims like "80% less recoil energy", "converts recoil energy (up to 80%) into heat", "35% less muzzle lift", "25% less peak force", and "35% less rock back", they lost me as a customer. I have a degree in Physics and years of practical experience in mechanical engineering.

Their agreement says "Satisfaction Garauntee- less recoil or your money back." Sure, it will have less perceived recoil than a steel or india rubnber plate, but less recoil than what? Double your IQ, or no money back!

The pad costs $200 instead of $40, makes outlandish claims, only available 1 3/16" thick means I have to cut my stock, is ugly as sin, weighs 5.5-6 ounces (vs 4 or less for a Pachmayer) and I am not terrifically recoil sensitive anyhow.

That's at least 307% pure misleading baloney. Let me point some things out:

A butt pad doesn't reduce recoil. That would violate Newton's Laws. It spreads the transfer of momentum from the shotgun out over time. You'd rather have Bruce Lee push your chest than punch it, both actions making you take a few steps back.

Beretta has an interesting youtube video showing how their nearly-as-ugly-as-FS mechanical system spreads momentum transfer out over time. "Real" physics classes require the students to have a couple semesters of Calculus, because all this stuff inovolves functions over time. Forces cause things to move over time. The details of how they move over time is very important and described perfectly by Calculus. Example... Your chauffeur Jeeves accelerates the Rolls smoothly up to 55 miles per hour as you enjoy a cup of tea in the back. The next day, your teenage daughter Elona accelerates the Tesla up to 55 miles per hour using Insanity mode, snapping your head back and slopping tea all over your morning coat and tie. Both cars end up at 55 miles per hour. A recoil pad slows down the transfer of forces, like Jeeves's judicious use of the accelerator pedal.
View attachment 110464
Note that the area under each curve must be the same. That's the total "recoil"... but it's much more pleasant to have that sharp white peak spread out over time.
Springs and shock absorbers or a hydraulic fluid... these are used in many places in industry. I just like less crap bolted to my simple shotgun. Crap fails over time (and I expect a shotgun to work for at least 70 years) or when least convenient.


"35% less muzzle lift" ... the butt pad doesn't reduce recoil. That would violate Newton's Laws. Muzzle lift comes from the force from the bore axis above or below the mount to the shoulder. Change the pitch angle of the buttstock and you can make the muzzle drop instead of rise. Just using no butt pad or plate at all.

"80% less recoil energy"... what is "recoil energy"??? Are telling me that if I put their pad on my 686, my 1.25 ounce target loads will suddenly feel ilke (1.00-0.8) x 1.25 = 0.25 ounce loads?
Really? Like shooting half a .410 shell? Really??? If that were true, we would have heard about it from anyone that bought one. 10 gauge goose loads are now powderpuffs?

"converts recoil energy (up to 80%) into heat". Double your IQ, or no money back! Copper is really good at converting mechanical energy into heat. Strike a penny on an anvil with a hammer 25 times, it will get very hot. Do not put your finger between the penny and anvil and hit with a hammer. Your neighbors will hear your scream of pain. Don't try padding your finger with a hockey puck, either. 4 inches of Styrofoam will protect your finger because the pressure curve is spread out. Yeah, heat... but it's how steep (d/dt and second derivative) that pressure is delivered that counts.

"25 % less peak force"... sure. Look at the Beretta graphs. The Kickoff peak is 40% less. That's good. I believe that. Smushing the peak down and spreading it out is how this recoil reduction stuff works. It's how a tube of mercury works, too, creating sloshes.

"35% less rock back" .. uh... They said there was 80% less recoil energy. Why don't you have 80% less rock back? Oh... they mean... recoil energy is the change in momentum over time, spreading out the time.. but that has to be constant because unless it's a nuclear reaction, energy is neither created or destroyed.. uh.. if your REALLY want to feel recoil, put your back to a brick wall, THEN shoot your shotgun! Ow! See what I did there, talking about smacking your finger with hammer on an anvil? Rock back of your body reduces perceived recoil!

So no, I have not shot with a Falcon Strike recoil pad. I expect they work about as well as the Beretta kick-off butt pad system, maybe a bit better because the hydraulics are nifty. But.. do they feel squshy? How long before that rubber dries out and mechanical flexing causes a leak? What about when it's really cold or really hot? I don't know. But I can post a picture of a Pachmayer pad that is 40 years old and still works well enough to shoot a round of clays.



I don't like the Beretta systems that put polymer plastics in my wood butt stock. Those will dry out over time. I have really nice 70 year old shotguns. I expect a chunk of wood to be working in 150 years. Replace a butt pad? No big deal.

But I am not cutting my beautiful walnut buttstock so I can install a 1 3/16" buttpad that looks like a chunk of motorcycle innertube.

If you want recoil like a .410... ain't nothing wrong with... a .410!

I am a liberal communist hippy, but I like conservative things like fine hardwoods, blued metal, scotch whiskey, home made beer. I don't need someone to mix fizzy water and vodka in a can for me, I know the recipe! Epoxy and acrylic resins are better than pine pitch, most of the time. I don't mind progress, I have a titanium hip I would reccomend to anyone as better than arthritis. But sometiems there are inventions looking for a problem to solve....

Rant off. Thanks for your attention. If you bought a Falcon Strike and think it's the best thing ever, cool. Tell us about it, but compare it to the Beretta Kickoff system... because the mechanical complexity matters to me. Remember.. my nice pads cost $40 and I have a belt sander and grind my own pads.
Pete, Don’t be in such a rush. Please take the time to explain more fully 😆
 
I am waiting for a new shotgun to arrive.. UPS says it's today! 1952 20 gauge Ithaca... with... pachmayer pad on it. That's 72 years old. I should make dinner, and then research what the period correct pad is. I wonder about the reproduction Sunrise pads! I hear they might be made of inferior polymers but look very pretty. A polymer should keep it's shape and not smush over time. I don't have confidence in the people selling the Sunrise pads.
 
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No, I have not.
When a company makes claims like "80% less recoil energy", "converts recoil energy (up to 80%) into heat", "35% less muzzle lift", "25% less peak force", and "35% less rock back", they lost me as a customer. I have a degree in Physics and years of practical experience in mechanical engineering.

Their agreement says "Satisfaction Garauntee- less recoil or your money back." Sure, it will have less perceived recoil than a steel or india rubnber plate, but less recoil than what? Double your IQ, or no money back!

The pad costs $200 instead of $40, makes outlandish claims, only available 1 3/16" thick means I have to cut my stock, is ugly as sin, weighs 5.5-6 ounces (vs 4 or less for a Pachmayer) and I am not terrifically recoil sensitive anyhow.

That's at least 307% pure misleading baloney. Let me point some things out:

A butt pad doesn't reduce recoil. That would violate Newton's Laws. It spreads the transfer of momentum from the shotgun out over time. You'd rather have Bruce Lee push your chest than punch it, both actions making you take a few steps back.

Beretta has an interesting youtube video showing how their nearly-as-ugly-as-FS mechanical system spreads momentum transfer out over time. "Real" physics classes require the students to have a couple semesters of Calculus, because all this stuff inovolves functions over time. Forces cause things to move over time. The details of how they move over time is very important and described perfectly by Calculus. Example... Your chauffeur Jeeves accelerates the Rolls smoothly up to 55 miles per hour as you enjoy a cup of tea in the back. The next day, your teenage daughter Elona accelerates the Tesla up to 55 miles per hour using Insanity mode, snapping your head back and slopping tea all over your morning coat and tie. Both cars end up at 55 miles per hour. A recoil pad slows down the transfer of forces, like Jeeves's judicious use of the accelerator pedal.
View attachment 110464
Note that the area under each curve must be the same. That's the total "recoil"... but it's much more pleasant to have that sharp white peak spread out over time.
Springs and shock absorbers or a hydraulic fluid... these are used in many places in industry. I just like less crap bolted to my simple shotgun. Crap fails over time (and I expect a shotgun to work for at least 70 years) or when least convenient.


"35% less muzzle lift" ... the butt pad doesn't reduce recoil. That would violate Newton's Laws. Muzzle lift comes from the force from the bore axis above or below the mount to the shoulder. Change the pitch angle of the buttstock and you can make the muzzle drop instead of rise. Just using no butt pad or plate at all.

"80% less recoil energy"... what is "recoil energy"??? Are telling me that if I put their pad on my 686, my 1.25 ounce target loads will suddenly feel ilke (1.00-0.8) x 1.25 = 0.25 ounce loads?
Really? Like shooting half a .410 shell? Really??? If that were true, we would have heard about it from anyone that bought one. 10 gauge goose loads are now powderpuffs?

"converts recoil energy (up to 80%) into heat". Double your IQ, or no money back! Copper is really good at converting mechanical energy into heat. Strike a penny on an anvil with a hammer 25 times, it will get very hot. Do not put your finger between the penny and anvil and hit with a hammer. Your neighbors will hear your scream of pain. Don't try padding your finger with a hockey puck, either. 4 inches of Styrofoam will protect your finger because the pressure curve is spread out. Yeah, heat... but it's how steep (d/dt and second derivative) that pressure is delivered that counts.

"25 % less peak force"... sure. Look at the Beretta graphs. The Kickoff peak is 40% less. That's good. I believe that. Smushing the peak down and spreading it out is how this recoil reduction stuff works. It's how a tube of mercury works, too, creating sloshes.

"35% less rock back" .. uh... They said there was 80% less recoil energy. Why don't you have 80% less rock back? Oh... they mean... recoil energy is the change in momentum over time, spreading out the time.. but that has to be constant because unless it's a nuclear reaction, energy is neither created or destroyed.. uh.. if your REALLY want to feel recoil, put your back to a brick wall, THEN shoot your shotgun! Ow! See what I did there, talking about smacking your finger with hammer on an anvil? Rock back of your body reduces perceived recoil!

So no, I have not shot with a Falcon Strike recoil pad. I expect they work about as well as the Beretta kick-off butt pad system, maybe a bit better because the hydraulics are nifty. But.. do they feel squshy? How long before that rubber dries out and mechanical flexing causes a leak? What about when it's really cold or really hot? I don't know. But I can post a picture of a Pachmayer pad that is 40 years old and still works well enough to shoot a round of clays.

I don't like the Beretta systems that put polymer plastics in my wood butt stock. Those will dry out over time. I have really nice 70 year old shotguns. I expect a chunk of wood to be working in 150 years. Replace a butt pad? No big deal.

But I am not cutting my beautiful walnut buttstock so I can install a 1 3/16" buttpad that looks like a chunk of motorcycle innertube.

If you want recoil like a .410... ain't nothing wrong with... a .410!

I am a liberal communist hippy, but I like conservative things like fine hardwoods, blued metal, scotch whiskey, home made beer. I don't need someone to mix fizzy water and vodka in a can for me, I know the recipe! Epoxy and acrylic resins are better than pine pitch, most of the time. I don't mind progress, I have a titanium hip I would reccomend to anyone as better than arthritis. But sometiems there are inventions looking for a problem to solve....

Rant off. Thanks for your attention. If you bought a Falcon Strike and think it's the best thing ever, cool. Tell us about it, but compare it to the Beretta Kickoff system... because the mechanical complexity matters to me. Remember.. my nice pads cost $40 and I have a belt sander and grind my own pads.
t's actually a dampener not a recoil reducer, it takes away the initial spike in force to distribute the load over a larger area using a dynamic fluid. It elongates the force over time. So weather it's springs or fluid achieving the same thing, it's all about distributing force over a time period. In this case miliseocnds to give a perceived impression of reduced recoil. Like your Bruce Lee analogy. I agree the marketing is a little off but if things are explained by someone with a degree in engineering you tend to get that fuzzy look back at you. He explains it at the best possible level of the general public. The guy who created Falcon strike is an engineer that makes dampeners for Aerospace projects. Have a listen..

I use Kick Eez on all my guns, usually the 1/2" one. I like the look and am not recoil sensitive but I still like to see what is being invented out there..
 
1. {Limbsaver, Kick-eeze, Pachmayer Decellerator} Effective, easy to install, reasonable cost, attractive, grind for perfect fit.
2. Falcon Strike. Looks like you paid $200 to tape a motocycle innertube full of water duct taped to your shotgun with electrician's tape. Advertising claims are 87% more ridiculous than a Benelli shotgun barrel.
3. Pachmayer or other "rubber waffle pattern" butt pads. Softens fit to shoulder, grind to perfect fit, can absorb some energy, can be historically correct.
4. Hard butt plate. Can be inexpensive, good looking, historically correct.
5. Bouncy rubber superball material butt pat. Transfers the most energy to your shoulder.
6. Wood custom checkered... what you put on your super expensive sxs because Jeeves shoots your Purdy for you, what?

Butt pads modify lots of characteristics of the shotgun stock. It depends which you value the most.

Even a wooden pad can adjust your LOP and the pitch angle. A good wood pad will fit your shoulder pocket.

Soft pads are more forgiving about imperfect fit and design.

Some pads turn impact energy into heat. This plastic stuff generally called "Sorbothane" is a clever molecule that, when struck, converts much of the energy into heat in chemical bonds. It's soft, too. 1" of Limbsaver is about twice as effective as 1/2" of Pachmayer's stuff.. because.. there is twice as much of it.
Falcon Strike uses hydraulic fluid stuff, probably non-newtonian like the Sorbothane.
Beretta uses springs and shock absorbers

The worst pads would be super ball rubber. The would impart twice the recoil of the shotgun, in a sort of theoretical model. Pads that a ball bearing would bounce from are bad, the momentum of the ball bearing is doubled.. since the ball leaves with about the momentum it came with. Springs do the same thing but extend the blow to the shoulder out over time. A shock absorber is a different matter.

Rubber pads with waffle zones... the waffles crush and reform, which turns mechanical deformation into heat.

Then there is ease of fit. Limbsavers are a little harder to grind and I think only come 1" thick.. which can mean cutting wood stock, which I hate.
I agree with you on the looks of the generic small, medium, or large Falcon Strike but they do work better than the kickeez or limbsaver. I have tried all three and the custom Falcon Strike was the way to go for me. If you get a chance or opportunity to shoot one don't pass it up. I think you will like it.
 
The Falcon Strike and Isis are not recoil pads, they are actually recoil reducers. Having an Isis put on your gun will run $600+, but they do work. The Falcon Strike weighs 5.5 - 6 ounces!!!!!! If you are a gun down shooter that is going to markedly alter the way your gun handles. Might as well put a Gracoil or PSP recoil unit on your gun and get some outstanding recoil reduction.
I use all 3 pads I mentioned on guns. If I want it to be an attractive install on a hunting gun I use a Pachmayr, often in brown or red. If I want to add weight to a target gun on the stock end (muzzle heavy shotgun) I'll put on a Kick Eez because its heavy. If I don't want to alter the balance of the gun I'll use a Cervelatti.
We have lots of great choices today with products that help is in several ways.
 
I am waiting for a new shotgun to arrive.. UPS says it's today! 1952 20 gauge Ithaca... with... pachmayer pad on it. That's 72 years old. I should make dinner, and then research what the period correct pad is. I wonder about the reproduction Sunrise pads! I hear they might be made of inferior polymers but look very pretty. A polymer should keep it's shape and not smush over time. I don't have confidence in the people selling the Sunrise pads.
I have several, they grind great work very well and a couple have set in the safe for several years with no ill affects.
 
No, I have not.
When a company makes claims like "80% less recoil energy", "converts recoil energy (up to 80%) into heat", "35% less muzzle lift", "25% less peak force", and "35% less rock back", they lost me as a customer. I have a degree in Physics and years of practical experience in mechanical engineering.

Their agreement says "Satisfaction Garauntee- less recoil or your money back." Sure, it will have less perceived recoil than a steel or india rubnber plate, but less recoil than what? Double your IQ, or no money back!

The pad costs $200 instead of $40, makes outlandish claims, only available 1 3/16" thick means I have to cut my stock, is ugly as sin, weighs 5.5-6 ounces (vs 4 or less for a Pachmayer) and I am not terrifically recoil sensitive anyhow.

That's at least 307% pure misleading baloney. Let me point some things out:

A butt pad doesn't reduce recoil. That would violate Newton's Laws. It spreads the transfer of momentum from the shotgun out over time. You'd rather have Bruce Lee push your chest than punch it, both actions making you take a few steps back.

Beretta has an interesting youtube video showing how their nearly-as-ugly-as-FS mechanical system spreads momentum transfer out over time. "Real" physics classes require the students to have a couple semesters of Calculus, because all this stuff inovolves functions over time. Forces cause things to move over time. The details of how they move over time is very important and described perfectly by Calculus. Example... Your chauffeur Jeeves accelerates the Rolls smoothly up to 55 miles per hour as you enjoy a cup of tea in the back. The next day, your teenage daughter Elona accelerates the Tesla up to 55 miles per hour using Insanity mode, snapping your head back and slopping tea all over your morning coat and tie. Both cars end up at 55 miles per hour. A recoil pad slows down the transfer of forces, like Jeeves's judicious use of the accelerator pedal.
View attachment 110464
Note that the area under each curve must be the same. That's the total "recoil"... but it's much more pleasant to have that sharp white peak spread out over time.
Springs and shock absorbers or a hydraulic fluid... these are used in many places in industry. I just like less crap bolted to my simple shotgun. Crap fails over time (and I expect a shotgun to work for at least 70 years) or when least convenient.


"35% less muzzle lift" ... the butt pad doesn't reduce recoil. That would violate Newton's Laws. Muzzle lift comes from the force from the bore axis above or below the mount to the shoulder. Change the pitch angle of the buttstock and you can make the muzzle drop instead of rise. Just using no butt pad or plate at all.

"80% less recoil energy"... what is "recoil energy"??? Are telling me that if I put their pad on my 686, my 1.25 ounce target loads will suddenly feel ilke (1.00-0.8) x 1.25 = 0.25 ounce loads?
Really? Like shooting half a .410 shell? Really??? If that were true, we would have heard about it from anyone that bought one. 10 gauge goose loads are now powderpuffs?

"converts recoil energy (up to 80%) into heat". Double your IQ, or no money back! Copper is really good at converting mechanical energy into heat. Strike a penny on an anvil with a hammer 25 times, it will get very hot. Do not put your finger between the penny and anvil and hit with a hammer. Your neighbors will hear your scream of pain. Don't try padding your finger with a hockey puck, either. 4 inches of Styrofoam will protect your finger because the pressure curve is spread out. Yeah, heat... but it's how steep (d/dt and second derivative) that pressure is delivered that counts.

"25 % less peak force"... sure. Look at the Beretta graphs. The Kickoff peak is 40% less. That's good. I believe that. Smushing the peak down and spreading it out is how this recoil reduction stuff works. It's how a tube of mercury works, too, creating sloshes.

"35% less rock back" .. uh... They said there was 80% less recoil energy. Why don't you have 80% less rock back? Oh... they mean... recoil energy is the change in momentum over time, spreading out the time.. but that has to be constant because unless it's a nuclear reaction, energy is neither created or destroyed.. uh.. if your REALLY want to feel recoil, put your back to a brick wall, THEN shoot your shotgun! Ow! See what I did there, talking about smacking your finger with hammer on an anvil? Rock back of your body reduces perceived recoil!

So no, I have not shot with a Falcon Strike recoil pad. I expect they work about as well as the Beretta kick-off butt pad system, maybe a bit better because the hydraulics are nifty. But.. do they feel squshy? How long before that rubber dries out and mechanical flexing causes a leak? What about when it's really cold or really hot? I don't know. But I can post a picture of a Pachmayer pad that is 40 years old and still works well enough to shoot a round of clays.

I don't like the Beretta systems that put polymer plastics in my wood butt stock. Those will dry out over time. I have really nice 70 year old shotguns. I expect a chunk of wood to be working in 150 years. Replace a butt pad? No big deal.

But I am not cutting my beautiful walnut buttstock so I can install a 1 3/16" buttpad that looks like a chunk of motorcycle innertube.

If you want recoil like a .410... ain't nothing wrong with... a .410!

I am a liberal communist hippy, but I like conservative things like fine hardwoods, blued metal, scotch whiskey, home made beer. I don't need someone to mix fizzy water and vodka in a can for me, I know the recipe! Epoxy and acrylic resins are better than pine pitch, most of the time. I don't mind progress, I have a titanium hip I would reccomend to anyone as better than arthritis. But sometiems there are inventions looking for a problem to solve....

Rant off. Thanks for your attention. If you bought a Falcon Strike and think it's the best thing ever, cool. Tell us about it, but compare it to the Beretta Kickoff system... because the mechanical complexity matters to me. Remember.. my nice pads cost $40 and I have a belt sander and grind my own pads.
Kind of what I thought. Most experts don't have a clue what the hell they're professing. You sir, don't appear to be an exception. Love me some Falconstrike.
 
I have a ISIS on my skeet gun and replaced the stock, going to put another ISIS back on. I have had good luck with the Kick EeZ rocker and that is what is on my parcours X, I like the slimmer pad toward the toe so it doesn't poke you as much. I may order a Cervallati to try in the future.
The big difference between ISIS pad and others - ISIS has more option in thickness and ISIS pad for Lefty and PAD for Righty as well. No other companies can offer this. After trying different versions - even Kick Eze - ISIS is the best.
They have an option with adjustable pad as well.
The price is not cheap - but when you trying to install the cheap pad on 10K$ shotgun - does not looks right to me. IMHO
 
Shotguns made in the 1890s are still serving their purpose. So they have to make up stuff to set one another apart. Look at all the lies the choke people tell. And all the t-rash posters say here.

use what you like. That works for you.
 
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I am waiting for a new shotgun to arrive.. UPS says it's today! 1952 20 gauge Ithaca... with... pachmayer pad on it. That's 72 years old. I should make dinner, and then research what the period correct pad is. I wonder about the reproduction Sunrise pads! I hear they might be made of inferior polymers but look very pretty. A polymer should keep it's shape and not smush over time. I don't have confidence in the people selling the Sunrise pads.
I believe the original item was a butt plate, but that's a little older than mine. When I decided I needed a pad, I put on a pachmayer and it looks like it's from the same period, even though it's not actually correct.
 
On an 870. You be the judge.
Falconstrike. I've had kickeeze, packmire, beretta, as well as recoil devices. This for the money.

I don't represent this product but I have three and friends put them on Perazzis, Krieghoff, and kolar. All feel the same way but then none of us are experts.
 

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