[redhawk44]

Does anyone know which primers are the hottest in shotshell components?

Also, which primer cups are the softest?

 

[number8shot]

All the data I have seen indicates the Federal 209a's are the "hottest" I havent seen any data on flame duration, though, which also can be a factor

 

[EyeMissum]

redhawk44,

I think the Federal 209A's are considered the hottest.

Softest? Don't have a clue.

Have you tried any of the PMC primers?

I bought a case (5,000) for about $80.00, where as I'm paying about $112.00 @ case for W209's. I haven't had any problems with them, using them in the same application's as W209 an Rem209.

They are made in Russia, an no, there isn't any published data on them that I've found. Lots of people won't try them because of that.

 

[TexasTon]

Using their own term, the 209A is the most robust primer.

I never saw one, but with the number of people saying they had piercings with Cheddites, at least at one time they would have been softest, don't know about now.

The only time I ever had a firing pin stick in a primer, it was an old Federal 209.

 

[pumpgun]

Ditto on the Federals being the hottest. IMHO, Win 209, and Rem. STS primers are quite soft.

 

[Quickshot]

The A stands for "afterburner".

 

[Burnt Powder]

I'm told the CCI Magnum primer puts on quite a Barbeque! I'm not so sure the reason a few Cheddites pierced is because they were soft, maybe quite the opposite, too hard! I have a Rizzini 28 ga with eroded pins thanks to those primers. I've shot a lot of them before and a lot after, only a few boxes caused me problems.

BP

 

[Equismith]

What about the Winchester 209 primers packaged for muzzle loaders (209WML)? Wallyworld puts them on clearance after deer season. Are they more powerful?

 

[TexasTon]

Same primer, in different packaging

 

[driller]

Current production? I would have to say the Fed 209A. At one time the Alcan 220 Max Fire would really "light em up". Maybe the next hottest I have used was the short lived win 209AA, they came in a black box and were only around for a short while.

 

[21mtr]

You can look around and find some hotness charts.

Also note that at one time there were 3 types of Ched primers, red, green, black flash wholes (different from the lacqer colors) They were cx2000, cx? and cx50. This was a few years back and food for thought. Also some Fio 616's I have, have different colored flash holes.

The way I list the primers for my purposes are: (I'll swap up the list but not down, most of the time)
Fed209A
CCI209M
Fio 616
Ched209
W209
Rem209
CCI209

 

[redhawk44]

Thanks guys, I am using the F209 although I didn't notice any "A" designation.

The reason that I asked is because I have heard that Green Dot is hard to ignite in cold weather and that is what I shoot. I didn't want any duds.

 

[parshal]

Alliant says to reduce the powder charge 1/2 grain when swapping from Fed 209 to 209A.

 

[TReX300]

Maybe the next hottest I have used was the short lived Win 209AA, they came in a black box and were only around for a short while.

Thanks for bringing this up Driller. I was haveing a talk with a older fella at the club the other day and was asking him if he knew what the designation was on those primers. He looked at me like I was wacked and told me Winchester only ever made the standard Win209. I though they were an AA and knew they were in a black box but no one had ever seem there here. I used them with Win 571 for duck loads back then but I guess they were desgined for reloading the black Winchester Handi Cap loads.

Tim

 

[driller]

Tim---The old black AAs' were long only a memory when the 209AATP primers came out. I am old, and my memory is not as sharp as it once was, but the last new black AA shells I bought was sometime about 1977. The AATP primers were available for a short period in the mid-90s'---some 20 years later.

 

[TReX300]

Driller I remember shooting a bunch of those old black AA's in fact I still might have a box some where. It would have been around 1980 the last time I shot some. I was pretty sure though Winchester had a special primer and special wad available back then that was supposed to be used to duplicate that load. It was quite the shell, just powdered them from back at 27yrds. Maybe I'm a little off in my years for the primers but the wads I know where from back earlier than the '90's........unless my memory is really going. :lol:

Tim

 

[driller]

Tim--I dont recall the special primer, but do remember the wads very well.Somewhere in my collection of shooting junque I still have about 1/2 a bag of them. They were a 3 legged wad that seemed to be made of a stiffer plastic than the regular AA wads.

NOtice the spelling of the word JUNK. Somehow I just cant seem to part with junque, as opposed to just throwing away junk...... :wink:

 

[TReX300]

Like I said my time for theprimers was probably off a few years. I know it was when lead was still legal for watefowl. I'd like to get my hands son some of those wads again though. They worked great for porch shoot shells and for other long range games.

Tim

I have a small barn full on junque. My wife has another name for it though that can't be posted here. :lol:

 

[driller]

Try the Remngton SPs', they work just as well or better.

 

[bobdog]

For some reason, I haven't been able to get W209 primers for the last several months (since about July) and ended up using Federals.

I agree that they're hotter primers. I've backed off my powder charge by using a smaller MEC powder bushing, but I'm still piercing primers on a fairly frequent basis.

Seems harmless enough, but I'm not real happy about it. I've always considered a pierced primer to be a sign of excessive pressure. I'm planning on backing off another bushing size.