i have read tons on the baikal o/u. good and bad. but i have read very little as far as complaints go with the condor. i have the baikal in a 12ga, and the condor in a 20ga. both have good and bad points. for a field gun, i feel they are both more than adequate, with the condor being lighter, 12 or 20ga. the baikal seems a little heavier duty, but not as balanced. yes, i know that most people on the board have no use for o/u under $500 new, but that's not what i'm getting at. why is there such a love/hate for the baikal, but not the condor? just something to fill a windy night with.