I'm thinking these might be the same people who are selling the de-mil "Federal" primers. Before using any of this stuff, I'd send some loads off for testing. $15/lb is a great price in this environment.

 

I’d be very leery of any powder that has 12,532 FPS on the box with a pressure around 6500 PSI. If there’s a typo there, who knows what else is wrong…

 

Doesn’t say 12,532 fps, but 1,2532. Obviously a typo for what is likely 1,253 fps, but does the listed charge weight also contain a typo?

 

It may be similar to this stuff.

MP BFS 3 - Smokeless Shotgun Powder - 20 lbs

MP BFS 3 - Smokeless Shotgun Powder - 20 lbs

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Probably no coincidence both are in MO and general vicinity of Lake City Arsenal. Thought to be reselling pull down powders, primers, bullets, etc. A year or so ago, Midway was selling 7.62 pull down LC brass, with primers, for around $240 per 500 pieces.

As noted, load data is very brief. If one wanted some cheap blammo, you could take a chance on it, put together some loads for testing, and if it checks out OK, blammo away.

 

It may be similar to this stuff.

MP BFS 3 - Smokeless Shotgun Powder - 20 lbs

MP BFS 3 - Smokeless Shotgun Powder - 20 lbs

americanreloading.com

Probably no coincidence both are in MO and general vicinity of Lake City Arsenal. Thought to be reselling pull down powders, primers, bullets, etc. A year or so ago, Midway was selling 7.62 pull down LC brass, with primers, for around $240 per 500 pieces.

As noted, load data is very brief. If one wanted some cheap blammo, you could take a chance on it, put together some loads for testing, and if it checks out OK, blammo away.

I agree HoWa. But… I have no pressure testing equipment. I do have a cronograph. But would have no way to test for safety w/r/t pressures. Anyone know how/where to have that done??

OH..and is "Pull Down" powder the same as reclaimed or re-cycled? I've never heard the term "Pull Down". (I've heard a lot of "Pull"...followed by "Lost" thought!!) 😂

 

Ify powder is a no-no around here. I’ve seen that powder and passed. The data also seems funny. It shows Fed 209 primers. They have been obsolete for years. However, they also sell primers. They are reclaimed Fed 209A’s. Maybe that is what they meant in the loading data? I have reloaded a bunch. Work fine. A while back BPI was also selling them. I don’t know if they still are.

 

YES...they are still for sale Sneem2.. They have those primers at the Fort Leavenworth Range also!! Pretty cheap too.. I think close to $2 for a 100 count. Not sure though..I'll have to verify.

 

That’s the same emblem on that powder of the reclaimed Federal primers from BPI I’ve been using for the last 4 months it do. They have worked flawlessly.

 

Pull-down shotgun primers are not all that hard to identify just by looking.Those are lots safer than pull-down powder.

Military pull-down powder, could be from grenades, smoke bombs, artillery, etc, etc. Maybe it's from torn down buckshot loads. PROBABLY is not any common canister powder. And probably the only way to use it is to load and have it pressure tested with target level shotshell loads. The data on the "150" jug uses a LOT of weight to only push out a handicap 12 gauge load. Says powder is real slow, like in the neighborhood of the burn rate of Blue Dot.

It would not be worth it for me to try to figure it out, nor to take the risk of running it in a shotgun. And its too expensive to make lawn fertilizer.

 

Having the loads tested is easy and reasonably priced, especially if you have the opportunity to buy hundreds of lbs.
Might even be more suitable for 16 and 20 gauge.

Jim

 

Having the loads tested is easy and reasonably priced, especially if you have the opportunity to buy hundreds of lbs.
Might even be more suitable for 16 and 20 gauge.

Jim

I agree. It may be worth buying 20-100lbs and having some tests done on it. I agree it looks slower than what it is claiming to be used for, may be a good 20ga field powder or mag 12ga.

In any case its probably a better investment than stock market currently

 

Lets see, 25grs, 1250 fps and 6500psi. Should make a great powder for your semi auto at night. Fire coming out of the muzzle and the action. I think I'll pass.

 

Like garrisonjoe said, looks like a slow burner. I would TEST FIRST before putting in my gun, but I wouldn’t bother with 12 gauge, too inefficient. Might work out decent for 20 or 28ga.

the way I would approach is compare that 12ga load data on the label to some of the slower burning powders that are used across multiple gauges. Find something that looks close on the velo/pressure in 12ga and use the subgauge data for that powder as a starting point for this one. It may not yield a useable target load, but I don’t know how else you could do it unless you had access to more information.

Then the last question is is all that time and effort and cost worth it? If I shot a lot of subgauge and wanted to set myself up for life with powder, maybe. Maybe not.

 

Great thoughts. Thx.

 

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Crazy times we’re in …

 

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SWEEET!! I drive right by their store in Mitchell all the time!! I didn’t know they had that testing capability! I’ll drop a few test loads for they the next time I go from KC to WY.
OR, how about this? I should call them and ask them if they have done any testing on this TR 150 and TR 200 Powder first right?! Thx AHI!!!

 

In any case its probably a better investment than stock market currently
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The primers I bought before the last election have been my best investment so far.

 

OK...I've called Precision Reloading in Mitchell. They have never heard of "TR 150/200" either. Nor have they tested any loads using TR powders. BUT, they said 'bring some buy'. We charge $20 for a 5 shot test matrix. So a mix of 4 different loads x 5 about $100. Might be worth it. I think I'll try it. I'll let everyone know what I learn...
Thx for all the inputs/ideas/help gang.

 

OK...I've called Precision Reloading in Mitchell. They have never heard of "TR 150/200" either. Nor have they tested any loads using TR powders. BUT, they said 'bring some buy'. We charge $20 for a 5 shot test matrix. So a mix of 4 different loads x 5 about $100. Might be worth it. I think I'll try it. I'll let everyone know what I learn...
Thx for all the inputs/ideas/help gang.

Please use Cheddite primers.

 

The government can't sell loaded ammo to it's own citizens-----BUT----can sell components.

 

I'd buy it - then find a load to use. Just to shoot a little more inexpensively.

 

For some perspective.........shooting powder at $15 per pound over a known powder like Promo or Clay Dot which I could buy for around $28 per pound might save you 3 cents per round out of a total cost of 35 cents to 40 cents per round. Have to decide if the amount of juice you get is worth the effort to squeeze it.

 

Glad you are close to Precision. I have used Tom Armbrust recently for load testing.
That is easily a 50% savings over regular powder. Worth it if you shoot every week, or have friends that reload.
I passed on some local powder that was similar. 300 lbs. It was just too slow and I didn't know how or where to store 300 lbs.
100 lbs. I might have taken it.
I'd never shoot that much .410.

Jim

 

That company is indeed de-constucting ammunition for ??? We get a lot of their powder and primers locally (Kansas City) and we were told that the primers were Fed 209A. They sure look like Federals. The powder is anyone's guess but it is loaded by several guys that I shoot with using the recommended recipes furnished by the Trap club that sells it. They seem to like it because of the price but it has a very loud report suggesting that it is slow. I called TR Products and they do indeed sell to the public when their "re-purposed" shot, powder and primers are available. Prices are attractive and its a short drive from here. Last year we were able to purchase "re-purposed" shot for $35/ 25# bag. Only #8 and #7.5 were available. That has now dried up as we understand that Ballistic Products Company is purchasing all of the "re-purposed" shot for resale. Who knows how long this will go on. In any case, the primers and powder are a bargain if you can find any.