Yes

 

Now, for 12 gauge, Gun Clubs load the same as STS hulls. Is this not the case with 20 gauge?

20 gauge Gun Clubs load the same as the STS.
Be careful with those Remington hulls, some are Shur-Shots. They load the same but use a 6 fold pre-crimp. They like to cohabitate with the Gun Clubs.

 

Thanks for the fast reply, Curly and Riflegunbuilder. Is there another 20 gauge hull you think is superior to the Remingtons? I’m interested in the Remingtons in 20 because they are so good in 12 gauge in my (limited) experience

 

Is there another 20 gauge hull you think is superior to the Remingtons? I’m interested in the Remingtons in 20 because they are so good in 12 gauge in my (limited) experience

In my opinion there is "Nothing" better.
Mind you that's just my opinion and we all have them.

 

What kind of loader do you plan on useing?.

 

MEC 9000. Already have one for 12 and 28.

 

hey jason, not to worry, gun clubs are just as good as sts. in the 20ga win double a's are also a good shell. you can get a better deal with the gun clubs, some shooters throw them away.

 

The difference you see in gun clubs verse the STS hulls......Is mainly the rim is steel vs Brass.

I reload on a med 600jr and have no issues. Load a lot of Win AA & reload Remington gun clubs and STS hulls that get a bit of a swirl in the crimp.....

Gun clubs may be a bit of an issue since I think some guys have issues with steel rims tearing when resizing on their reloaders.

Otherwise Gun clubs should be great.

I watched a Utube video from remmington. The Guy stated that the GUN clubs were the economical shell to compete on price. A little cheaper primer, steel rim, 4% antimony in the shot, ribbed hull to add a bit of strength using a bit different plastic.

Personally I love gun clubs to relaod....really haven't had any issues with the steel rims and reload about as many times has my AA hulls.

 

I reload a lot of Gun Clubs in 12 and 20, they get used in guns chambered for that gauge.

STS 20s (brass based) get used in sub gauge tubes because the extractors will work with them without the shells getting stuck in the chambers.

 

I don't shoot a lot of 20ga, but I've been reloading a large batch of Gun Club hulls for a long time with satisfactory results. My only issue has been what Curly mentioned... I find an occasional 6-point crimp hull mixed in with my scavenged hulls.

 

I don't know if they've changed but a friend gave me some Rem Clay & Field loads in 20 ga last year and I don't know how many reloads before I trashed them but it was considerably more than GC's or AA's. Some kind of translucent plastic that wears well.

 

Go on Utube. Manny CA does videos on reloading hulls. The remmington field and clay was the best reloading hull for the number of times. Its a brass washed steel head. Unfortunately they run close to $14 a box around here....gun clubs, AA,Nitro, & STS are cheaper.

 

You will find that most 20 ga powders are also 28 ga powders.

 

Two things to be aware of when loading Gun Clubs ...Overall case length variability and primer pocket buggers.

The length variability has seemed more common with the the 12's than the 20's. The 16ga black RGL's are the worst. It doesn't have to be a problem with the 12's but it can give a newbie fits. The accepted way to deal with it is to adjust the press to just close up the crimp with the shorter ones while generating a swirled center with the longer ones. No big deal once you accept the reality that not all crimps will be the same.

The crimp pocket bugger can be a real pain to deal with and, IME, was always worst with the 20's. The pocket-forming process leaves some plastic in the bottom that inhibits complete primer seating, some brands being more problematic than others. The OEM's R209 was never a problem due to its shorter rounded shape and I'm sure Remington didn't care if others were an issue. Been so long since I accumulated any 20ga GC's it may not be an issue anymore.

Some people went so far as to use a drill bit to ream each pocket. Others just avoided 20ga GC's.

Another approach, and my favorite, is to forgo the Rem GC's and load virtually any foreign 6-point case .... Fiocchi, Rio, Kent, B&P, Aguila, etc., etc. ... with the SG series of wads. Some will complain that the SG wads cost more than others but that's something everybody needs to consider for themselves. Those 6-point hulls are available by the thousands on the sporting clays course I frequent. The loads I've concocted are as good as any I've ever made and I have the luxury of loading them once and tossing them from my autoloader.

 

I think MannyCA got 19 reloads out of some 20 ga. Gun Clubs. More than anyone would probably do in practice, but I know I have a bucket that is on reload number four and they should go another four times easy. I am using modern Cheddites with no primer pocket issues yet.

How Many Times Can You Load Remington Gun Club - PROJECT 20 GAUGE EDITION! - YouTube

 

Here's the knowledge I've accumulated over the past 10 years about Remington 20 gauge hulls:

Gun Club - the lowest priced hull, 2% antimony content on average, steel base, loads very well.

American Clay & Field (ACF) - mid-range priced hull, 4% antimony content on average, steel base, STS quality plastic for greater reloadability.

STS - premium priced hull, 6% antimony content on average, brass base, high quality plastic for great reloadability.

IMO, and for a variety of reasons, the 20 gauge STS hull is the best out there for reloading.

If you have a MEC progressive loader, the primer insertion issue that has plagued many Remington hulls (mostly STS 28 & 410) has been corrected.

All MEC progressive loaders now come with a double clamp around the rammer tube to allow a greater insertion force to properly seat primers.

If you load on a MEC single stage press this has never been an issue. You just apply more down force on the handle until the primer is fully inserted.

Drilling primer pockets is a waste of time IMHO. if you have an older MEC progressive, just give them a call and order the short spacer, double clamp conversion parts.

I like 20/28 powder the best for loading 20 gauge target loads. Unique and Universal also work well when available. Good luck!

 

Based on my experience you won't find a longer lasting hull for the 12 and 20 than Gun Clubs. Even with every fold showing a split you will still get a good sound crimp.

 

Alliant powder for 20gauge
Green Dot
20/28