http://mynssa.com/image/downloads/2007% ... Prices.pdf

As much as I don't like it, that's actually cheaper than local prices.

Last year they were higher than local prices at the World.

 

I happen to agree. It looks like it's about at cost. I know STS 410's COST a local supplier approximately $92.50 per flat.

 

Hey Kicker, is this the type of link you were looking for: World Shoot ammo prices?

It's actually quite easy to do this. If you would really like to know how to do it, send me a PM and I'll send you the steps to 'get er done'.

You can also just copy and paste the URL like Mike did above, which is actually a little easier to do.

 

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Got to wonder if the ammo is some of that 300K$+ in product we are given by advertisers and venders to sell so that we can pay out added money.

 

It looks like it's about at cost. I know STS 410's COST a local supplier approximately $92.50 per flat.

Somethin' doesn't smell right. ^

Recob's is SELLING single flats of STS .410's for $71.99, and 28's for $81.99 a flat. AA's are $79.99 and $81.99 respectively.

http://www.recobstargetshop.com/browse.cfm/2,121.html

 

Blooch,
That's exactly where the ammo comes from. The ammo company's commit to subsidizing the shoot for $XXXX in added money, but they give it to the NSSA in product, which the NSSA has to sell in order to get the money to add to the shoot.

Cheaper for the Ammo Company's that way. They actually get a discount on the amount they pledge to give to the shoot for added money.

DLM

 

No matter where the ammo comes from or who sells it, those prices are a great marketing message telling shooters to do SOMETHING ELSE.

 

well

right now I am giving it some serious thought about attending this yrs world shoot. all in all, I'd say over the last 3 yrs or so the world shoot has steadily increased in expenses. I do not mean shoot fees that pretty much is an affordable part. I mean cost of travel, lodgeing, food, ammo, etc. I understand that they need to make some money on selling ammo but not a huge profit. [/i]

 

If the cost of ammo for one shoot is that big of a deal then maby its not worth going. Really with all the money spent going there what is an extra buck a box or so for ammo gonna hurt. If its that big of a deal go mcDonalds a couple nights and not the steakhouse or the clubhouse bar and there is the extra money. With the expenses involved in going the cost of ammo is the least of them. There are ways to keep it cheap in san antonio as we did it last year for the acui shoot and got 8 people shooting on a pretty decent budget.

 

well lets see,

any other distributer is selling ammo for 5.50 to 6.50 a box. 28 and 410 is roughly 8.50 a box. why is nationial selling ammo a dollar more. I can see .50 more but come on. and I recent your remark and cocky attiidude. guys will see what ammo costs and will not come period. It is bad enough that shooters coming in via the north or west will spend every bit of 2500.00 to shoot the event. They are out pricing themselves out of reach to the blue collar worker. average joes can think of better ways to spend 2500.00 and not give up 8 to 10 days of their hard earned vacation.

 

There are several of us who post here who have had a huge ***** about the ammo prices at the World and it has fallen on deaf ears (again). Truthfully, it isn't about the extra money at all but the fact that our own organization is nickel and diming us to death.

All I know about prices is what I have been told by my supplier who I BELIEVE is telling me the truth. He said Remington ammo (28's in paticular) cost him $92.50 per flat when he ordered them last. Are the prices you guys are getting BEFORE shipping costs?

 

yes

 

I've heard the ammo at NSC is on consignment.

Does anybody know?

A month ago, that building was full.

 

Yes prices are going up...but certainly I would think that the NSSA can do what individuals are doing. I, who have no industry connections, have been able nonetheless to become aware of impending and always pre-announced (to distributors) price hikes in ammo. In response, I have made volume (for an individual) purchases in order to lock in lower prices.

Recently, with my limited purchasing power, I was able to buy 20 flats or so of Rem 410 and 28, $71/410 and 78/28 gauge. I lokced this price in back in mid-June. I have done the same thing in the past year for lead.

The NSSA should be able to do better for its members, at its premier venue, than mid-west Wally World retail box prices.

 

I know STS 410's COST a local supplier approximately $92.50 per flat.

Are the prices you guys are getting BEFORE shipping costs?

The prices I quoted from Recob's are everyday, out-the-door prices to retail customers. State tax for me, or shipping to you, is extra.

Maybe your "suppliers" supplier is Gander Mountain. :shock:

 

Gander Mountain? :shock:

Not likely, thought they aren't a wholesaler, they do sell quite a bit of ammo locally. You may know the guy I purchase my ammo from Mark, Jimmy Prall? He has no reason not to be truthfull with me because I reload my ammo for the most part anyway.

Surely you see that I am NOT supporting NSSA on it's cost but it does at least LOOK as if their prices are more in line this year than in the past but I could be wrong (and probably am). They may have locked this ammo up a year ago and are at a 50% proffit margine or better this year. I wouldn't put it past them in the least.

 

What a shame. Profitting off members traveling to promote the sport our organization runs.....

MORE of a reason to rotate the world so shooters can DRIVE and bring thier own ammo. 3 seperate world locations should be used on rotation for east,west and central locations to benefit every shooter at least once every 3 years with the opportunity to cut expenses.

I haven`t noticed any pigs flying today....so it ant never going to happen....

 

You may know the guy I purchase my ammo from Mark, Jimmy Prall?

You'd think that a guy with the name Jimmy Prall would be able to get a better price on Remington ammo. :lol:

For those who didn't know - Jimmy Prall was a great Industry Pro shooter for Remington.

 

If it costs to much then simply don't go its not that big of a deal. The sport is not a cheap sport and for the most part isnt a blue collar sport. I doubt many people would not come because of the ammo prices as they are not holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy it there. If you think its too high buy it elsewhere. There are plenty of ways to save money. Don't eat expensve, drive with other people and not fly, rent a car etc. Stay in a hotel that isn't too expensive or has the kitchen and eat there. The cost of 4 bucks a hundred at most isn't a determining factor in people attending the world shoot. That equals out to what 40 bucks for the whole mini and world combined.

 

Collky2,

Of course $4 isn't going to break anyone. But some of us have had 9-10 years of $4 more here and there added to our game. It costs me $60 to drive to San Antonio and back home to Houston. I shoot reloads, eat and sleep for free in San Antonio with my college buds, and there's no way in heck I'm spending the kind of green it will cost to shoot the world this year.

Yeah, I'm one of those blue collar guys you're talking about. I just happen to work in a profession that doesn't afford me blue collar wages. I'll shoot the world shoot again some day. After all, NSSA won't miss my $500-900 this year, its not a determining factor for them if I don't go. That $4 here and there adds up after awhile.

 

Collky - I think you forget something...its supposed to be OUR organization...right, a membership organization.

No, its not a big deal....and no, I don't think NSSA sets out to gouge us...but I do think that they can sometimes use their noggin a bit better and provide more value to the membership.

If you ever cut a check to NSSA for fees for a shoot, then you can probably appreciate the view that money flows in with the expectation that service and consideration for the membership would then flow out.

In this case, we have a predictable extremely large shoot, a clear and constant trend of increasing ammo prices, a product (shells) that are not perishable and which do not suffer or lose value over time on the shelf. So yes, I think a good purchasing agent and some planning could have gotten us a better deal.

 

I was shocked when I found out at the World last year that not only are members not provided with ammo at a discount but that it was actually at a premium. The premium this year is much less than it was last year.

The only reason Recob's is selling the ammo cheap still is because they are decent folks. They are selling old inventory at the old price. Sportsmans Warehouse, the local source here in Utah for ammo or much of anything else, does and has done the opposite: as soon as they get wind of a price jump, they're selling old stock for the new price. That may not be illegal, but it's damned sure unethical in my book.

And I certainly think the least that National could do would be to negotiate even just slightly better than market prices for ammo for competitors at the NSC.

 

The "us" that the NSSA is run for is not us the shooters, it is us the SA insiders. Once you understand that things become much more clear. Sending the shoot check to NSSA, and then thinking about what else you could have done with that money at the shoot versus what you got for it (nothing) is depressing. They are selling us air! "Registered Targets", what does it mean? It means they post your score to a computer somewhere months after the fact, big deal, and all for the low low price of $3, that's $1 per keystroke if you shoot good, $1.50 of you shoot bad.

What if the motivated individuals on this board got together and started an online target registry? Post your scores like you do to Bedore's site, 25 cents per 100, to cover costs only?? An online newsletter/blog staffed by volunteers? Grass roots, lean and mean, do it durring the off season? A place to try all of the ideas we have come up with.

 

Why don't you get it started? Take the lead. I am sure you would do a much better job. I will recommend that our small club be the first to join.