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686 vs 692

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#1 ·
Hey Beretta lovers, I would like your thoughts on the 692. I have a 686, but it's the right hand version, and I shoot lefty. I noticed last year after several months of trap and skeet leagues that I was experiencing neck and back pain after each night of shooting.. I learned after some experimentation that it was how I was having to mount the gun to get a proper alignment. Shooting a lefty gun was much more comfortable, I had no idea it would make much difference.

So, I was originally planning to sell it, and get a lefty 686 sporting. Then I stumbled on the 692. Obviously, it's a lot more expensive, but other than reading Beretta's sales pitch on it, I have difficulty understanding what makes it better.

Is it more balanced? Does it swing better? Does it somehow pattern better (although, I assume that's more of a choke issue)? Does it break open easier (mine has gotten better after a few thousand rounds, but still a bit stiff)?

What are your thoughts?
 
#4 ·
I have only looked at and held the 690 and the 692 in stores. They are both nice guns. Both are considerably more costly than a 686. The wood on the 2 guns I looked at had extremely nice grain, but both hand cast for a rt handed shooter. If your gun is a sporting model with the Optima chokes I doubt if there is a lot of handling differences in the guns. I do not really believe in magic barrels that add broken targets. I have a Sporting 686. I has no cast or palm swell and I had a adjustable comb put on it for about $250. That would work for a lefty also, I think. If you buy a 692 or 690 can you get a left handed gun straight from the factory? Or do you have to restock it anyway?
I am not against buying a new, expensive gun. But the 692 was costly enough not to really interest me in buying it. The 690 I am looking at is very nice. Some people report trouble with the ejectors on the 690 models. Sounds like you do not really like the gun you have anyway so I guess that will be a big factor. My reason for looking is that my older 686 has Mobile Choke and the 30 inch barrels are pretty heavy. It opens very smoothly and easily. Yours will to if you keep lubing it and shooting it.
 
#6 ·
lt0026 said:
Find a gently used 682. Far superior to the 692 and ample cash savings.
What makes you say this? Why is the 682 "far superior"? I'm not a Beretta guy, having shot Citori's for the last 25+ years, so you're gonna have to be fairly specific. I'm interested in a 692 because in the not-too-distant future, I can see the need for a lighter weight skeet gun. I want the gun + tubes to come in at 8 3/4 to 9 lbs. The 692 can be had in a skeet-specific variant, the weight should be right as well as the price I want to pay.
 
#11 ·
prez said:
Vette Jockey said:
cfoster said:
I would suggest stay away from the 692
Again, why? I don't want to spend a bunch of money on a gun that won't serve my needs.
I am interested as well. Are there quality control or operational issues? How would you compare it to 686 (if you have used both), or other models?
There has been a known ejector problem. The selective ejector/extractor switch has O rings that wear and can cause problems. So far my 692 is fine and I see no O ring wear. I'll keep an eye on them and replace the part if necessary

As for shooting the 692 it feels just like my 682. I don't notice any difference in the felt recoil although people claim the 692 shoots softer. My 682 has 30's and the 692 has 32's. They both swing the same to me but the new barrels are supposed to be lighter and the extra 2" probably helps. The optima plus chokes don't seem to be any better than the old optima chokes other than they don't need that stupid wrench

Like I said earlier. If I found a lightly used 682 before buying the new model I would have saved money and been just as happy. Although at the time I thought I needed the latest and greatest and that feeling usually wins out
 
#13 ·
I guess what most here are trying to say is they don't think the new 69x represents an improvement over the 68x series. They see no reason to dump their investments into 68x guns for 69x guns. I certainly won't be selling my new 686 OP Trap for a 69x gun.
The switch to the 725 platform from the old Citori was a big deal for Browning but the 68x platform is still in it's prime and the 69x looks like Beretta marketing run amok.
However if you like the 692 then don't let the ejector issue stop you. It's not a deal breaker. It's really not a big deal at all and is just a new design teething issue. Eventually it will get worked out. Otherwise there seems to be no further problems. The gun seems solid and new owners seem pleased.
 
#15 ·
tash said:
I have both. The 692 is what I prefer to use. A little heavier, better balanced. I'm well pleased.
The 692 is a sweeter handling gun and the ejector thing is more an irritant than a real problem. But there were other QA issues with early production guns particularly in the UK and unfortunately I'm still hearing about too many breakdowns, particularly with the triggers, which is odd since the triggers are identical to the 68X series.

It seems that once you're past the first 2K rounds and apart from the 'O' rings, you're set for normal 6XX reliability and durability.

And let's not forget that when the Gold E came along in 2000 the 682 diehards lined up to condemn it as not a "proper" 682.
 
#16 ·
Probably the best value would be a Cole's or Cabela 686. You could get the great wood and appearance for a significant savings over the 692. On the other hand, the 692 is a bit heavier and probably handles better for a target gun. The only real issue is the ejectors having that problematic o ring contraption. A friend of mine has one and while he likes it, the gun took about 5000 rounds before it loosened up, Beretta forgot to add the center bead, and one of the ejectors won't come out...
If I was to make a decision about this, I'd probably look for a lightly used DT10 for about the same money as the 692. If I couldn't find one, I'd probably buy the Cole's/Cabelas 686. The other option might be to hang on and buy a DT11. Ultimately it depends on your budget and what you consider important in a gun, and whether you are the type of shooter who keeps a gun for life or generally trade around after a year or two. Can't really go wrong with any of them, so pick the one that makes you happy...
Personally I shoot a 687EELL that I've had for 11 years now. I've had no complaints with the gun and have no real plans to change.
Cheers-Gofer
 
#17 ·
I sure like my 692--handles well, have had no issues with ejectors, and have over 5000 rounds through it. I have read all the concerns around the 692 and although it sure has its detractors most of those have had little or no experience with the gun. At this point I would not trade mine for another kind of over/under.
 
#20 ·
How many "O" rings have replaced in Remington 1100s in the past 53 years with no major complaints??
 
#21 ·
Just got back from the range where I got to try someone's new 690 Sporter for the 1st time.
I was very impressed. The gun felt perfect in my hands. The balance was excellent just like the handling. It felt much lighter than it was .It was a much better gun than I expected. I take back what I said about Beretta marketing run amok. I would love to own one.
 
#23 ·
mms-3 said:
prez said:
What exactly is the ejector issue with the O rings? I went looking for a manual for the 692 online, and can't even seem to find one.
The o rings wear out

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So, the o-rings wear out, and then the selector doesn't hold position, and therefore doesn't work correctly? If so, is there a known frequency to check the o-rings for condition (every 5K rounds or something)? Does putting grease on them maybe help? I played with a 692 today (right hand version), but it looked and felt good in my hand (other than the cast on in the stock), and i am definitely interested in the gun.

I also looked @ a 690 - but frankly, I like the 686 better. 690 looks like a painted version of a 686 that they didn't feel like finishing.
 
#24 ·
prez said:
690 looks like a painted version of a 686 that they didn't feel like finishing.
Some people like the retro 70s look, others not so much...

With respect to the ejectors I my SV10 never failed to eject strongly and at the right time. I'd taken out the ejectors a couple of times before I realise the selectors even had 'O' rings. The type in the above pic also raises a small burr on the ejector which meant I had to tap them out out of the guides using a pin hammer and a small wooden dowel as a drift and then stone them flush.

No one can understand why they don't just scrap the system and just have ejectors like every other gun.

As for how often to check them it's good practice to remove and clean Beretta ejectors every 4 or 5K anyway.

casonet said:
How many "O" rings have replaced in Remington 1100s in the past 53 years with no major complaints??
Okay but then you don't buy a semi unless you've got a sense of humour do you? :lol:
 
#25 ·
Jaspo01 said:
Just got back from the range where I got to try someone's new 690 Sporter for the 1st time.
I was very impressed. The gun felt perfect in my hands. The balance was excellent just like the handling. It felt much lighter than it was .It was a much better gun than I expected. I take back what I said about Beretta marketing run amok. I would love to own one.
Agreed. I bought a 690 black after fondling it for about three weeks in the gun store. I thought it would be a backup to my 686, but not so sure now. The orange lettering on the black receiver is gaudy, but she sure shoots sweet. For $500 more than a 686 (discounted) it's a lot of gun for the money.

It would seem Beretta is working hard to bring innovative features to their shotguns, e.g., B-Fast, carbon ribs and trigger guards, ejector/extractors/ aluminum tensioned fore-ends. I guess this is the future of Beretta shotguns, their sure not backing away from pushing these new products out the door. Time will tell how good they are.
 
#26 ·
This ejector/extractor issue concerned me, so I contacted Beretta support. They had the following to say, "Very few 692s will ever have any issues with the selectors, the service rate on that model is miniscule. We recommend using silicone grease on the selector o-rings to help prevent any problems".

I've had good luck with silicone grease on other rubber o-ring applications, so the beretta recommendation seems consistent in concept.

For those who already have this model, if you haven't tried it maybe this will help.