mine are 70/30 maybe 60/40 ish, works for me for trap, skeet and 5 stand

 

Maybe you shot left?

 

First part of your question (what other Trapshooters use for their POI):
You're going to get a hundred different answers all over the map from 50/50 to 120% high, none of which will really be all that helpful in choosing your own best Trap-specific POI.

In fact, see the results of this poll: POI Poll on trapshooters/com
[Note that well over half (58%) of respondents are in the 60/40 to 80/20 range, which is a pretty accurate poll in my experience, with an additional 12% at 90/10].

Second part of your question (lowering your POI):

I was thinking of moving to 90/10 as I sometimes miss straight aways bc I shoot a little high.

Additionally, if you're thinking of lowering your POI from 100% high to 90/10, why ask us? Just do it and see if your results improve. But note the following: if you're truly shooting completely over targets (but as you said, only "some" targets, not all), you're not missing them by the difference between 100/0 and 90/10 (which is only a few measly inches) . . . you're mispointing the gun by half your pattern's diameter, and maybe more. So, be honest with yourself: POI setting problem or a shooting skill/consistency problem?

 

First part of your question (what other Trapshooters use for their POI):
You're going to get a hundred different answers all over the map from 50/50 to 120% high, none of which will really be all that helpful in choosing your own best Trap-specific POI.

In fact, see the results of this poll: POI Poll on trapshooters/com
[Note that well over half (58%) of respondents are in the 60/40 to 80/20 range, which is a pretty accurate poll in my experience, with an additional 12% at 90/10].

Second part of your question (lowering your POI):

Additionally, if you're thinking of lowering your POI from 100% high to 90/10, why ask us? Just do it and see if your results improve. But note the following: if you're truly shooting completely over targets (but as you said, only "some" targets, not all), you're not missing them by the difference between 100/0 and 90/10 (which is only a few measly inches) . . . you're mispointing the gun by half your pattern's diameter, and maybe more. So, be honest with yourself: POI setting problem or a shooting skill/consistency problem?

I would love to see the mechanical set up for someone trying to tell the difference between 100/0 and 90/10 !!! HA! That would take about 10 trials and knowing the range of your flying target with exactly that ammo!

100/0 is "All high"... but 10 feet high is also 100/0! It means "Bottom stray pellets just tickling the point of aim"
50/50 is "Fold the paper in half... half above, half below". But it matters what we call "aiming". How do you aim when you don't really aim?

Are we talking about the bead in the middle of the target (center aim)? The bead floating a 6" target spot? I've seen both referenced.

Other than that, it's just an eyeball guestimate. Once in the near ballpark, I think adjustments should be made on flying targets, not paper. Shoot a couple rounds over a couple of days. Make a slight adjustment. See if you notice a difference.

These are my opinions.

 

Another thing to think about is if you're hitting most of everything else and just missing straight aways, then you adjust to hit the straight targets you might start missing everything else. I'd start with working on your break point on the straight targets, if you're shooting over them try to float it more and see what happens.

 

Straightaways are the worst for me. Always have been. My first thought when I see them is “easy”. Then boom. I miss.

 

Because they were not straightaways.

 

Not seeing the target properly or not giving it enough time to develop can cause a miss !
Lifting / Peeking can be a habit , just like changing one's chokes or gun-mount .
When you're working with half a pattern whether it's 15" or larger , you need trigger-time
to build confidence that you're doing it right !

 

This......."I think adjustments should be made on flying targets, not paper. Shoot a couple rounds over a couple of days. Make a slight adjustment. See if you notice a difference."

The great thing about trap (especially as compared to sporting) is...it's all in the numbers.

Make one (1, uno, single) change and shoot 500 targets. I did and my average for 1000 dropped 1%. Why? Who cares? I changed it back.

After shooting > 5000 targets I decided I might be set a touch high. Lowered the comb 1/16" ... dropped the POI about 1.5" at the break point. MY frequency of ink spots went up. Haven't changed it for the last 10,000. After 12 years (going from 60 to 72 years of age) I changed my call from "Hup!" to "Pullllll" and my scores have improved. Simply changing my call slowed my reaction time a shosh from 0.48 seconds to about 0.55 seconds, My breaks are more solid, about 2-3 yards further out, and my confidence has improved. I ain't going back.

 

LOL...
Straight away is the most difficult of shots in trap.
Or rather your window for successful hit is the smallest in this particular presentation.

I'm not making fun of you it's just a funny question because most people think stright away are the easiest.

The angled birds are in fact the easiest and you have a much bigger break window with your pattern and your angle of said clay.

Instead of chasing pattern and or choke...and or ammo....

I bet your misses could be cured by simply more concentration.
Perhaps you let up just a bit because it's straight away

I've seen this example before...

good luck


P.s.

My guns are 60/40 - 70/30
Somewhere in there without getting out a protractor, square, and or using a comparator.

 

As a very general rule, shooters who hold above the house tend to have higher POIs than shooters who hold on the house. This is because shooters who hold high guns use less gun speed and therefore need more "lead"(for lack of a better term). However, Leo Harrison's POI was between 70/30 and 60/40, even though he held a high gun. I suspect this was because he tended to shoot targets toward the top of the arc, when the target's flight path was beginning to flatten. (I've never seen Leo shoot except on his DVDs, so I am going by what I've heard from folks who saw him shoot in person.)

Also, some shooters like to see - in their peripheral - space between the target and the bead. Nora Ross said she wants to see the bead touching the bottom of the target.

In short, there is no definite answer. Each shooter must find the POI that works best for them.

Finally, where you apply most of your cheek pressure on the comb affects POI. If you apply pressure on the front of your cheek - like Nora - your POI will be lower than if you apply pressure on the middle of your cheek.

I've struggled with straightaways because when I saw the target come out of the house, I changed my cheek pressure from the middle to the back, and therefore inadvertently raised my POI.

Randy

 

Wow. Thanks for the replies. It definitely gives me a lot to think about. I’ve repatterned my gun. I was essentially 100/0 about 1 inch higher than the center dot at 40 yards. I dropped my comb to 90/10. A lot of times, I notice I move the gun up for straight away and the wind pushes down on the bird, and my shot goes above the bird.

i point my gun above the house by about 6 inches.

my local club has an ATA hall of famer who I was lucky enough to ask him about my problems. He had me adjust my hold spots above the house. As it turns out, I was also suffering from visual flinching, making the straight aways more difficult. I’ve shot about 500 shells in these last two days after these Changes. Let’s see if they work well in competition.

 

For trap, I’m curious how you’ve setup your gun For POA/POI?

60/40 or 50/50, depending on the gun.

 

it's a great advantage to other trap shooters when the trap line has tech winnie on the line point of impact changing chokes trigger adjustments and a few other tweaks
i know i don't have to worry about those shooters
find what works for you and use it
i have shot many hundred straits from the 16 yard line with a model 12 and made it back to the 26 yard line with the same gun
30 years of trap shooting 1 oz loads 16 yard 1150 fps
1 1/18 oz from the 24 yard line and back

 

When shooting trap, my Ljutic is set up for about 40/60 or 45/55. Which I like. And I align the beads. I don't stack them. Then I shoot when the target reaches its apex and it appears to be stationary- on the ones that are going straight away.

 

I think my Beretta is 65/45 .... 694 Sporting

My Beretta Mark ll was built before this was a thing

 

SO, you are looking at both the clay and the bead? I've got a fixed 70/30 rib on my Pro-ribbed Ljutic, but my actual poi is higher...I am unaware of the bead when I shoot. Again, to me it is not an aimed shot, but I am pointing the gun, learned hand/eye coordination. The comb setting sets the poi for me.

 

When shooting for POI a 3" higher impact only takes 1/8" rise in the comb !
It's interesting how much higher you shoot , when you peek ?
30" patterns at 40 yds makes one realize the importance of a good mount , right ?
Shooting 15" over a target is what I try , not to do !

 

Look up an article by Neil Winston very well explanation on how to pattern poi .

 

When I bought my Ljutic about 10-15 years ago, I noticed that it shoots about 40/60. I never changed the headrest. I adapted to the gun. I like it the way. I don't "stack" the beads, either. I align the beads up like a field gun. I shoot the way Al Ljutic says to shoot- wait for the target to reach "it's apex". That way the target appears to be a stationary target. Good luck.

 

My advice to trapshooters seeking advice....

Ask someone who has broken multiple 100x100's.

Perhaps try their suggestions. Regardless of how it works for you, ask a different person who has shot multiple 100's. You'll possibly learn of a different proven approach.

After you try a couple of these proven methods you may or may not be able to break 100's. If you really don't care to break 100x100, then anything you do is fine. We could all spend 7 days a week playing basketball and not many of us could make the NBA.