They are certainly some fine looking guns. Got any more info for us?

 

Interesting and very cool. This is the same guns and company that made the S&W and Kimber guns with a new name. I copied the home page link that I found on their site and the picture on the left is right out of the S&W brochure. This is great, I certainly hope that they do come to the USA, because it will make our S&W Elite guns an even better value.
http://www.commando-arms.com/index.asp
Strat

 

Thanks for good information Strat. But I'm a little confused. On the website they Komando AV/Commando Arms claims to have been in business since 1980. But certainly Komando/Commando is not the name I have heard associated with the S&W guns. Wasn't that Akas or something vaguely like that. Remember from the thread where one of the Turkish guys that visits with us from time to time....???? Of course....this all may just be poor memory on my part. Or maybe the manufacturer and S&W set up a separate shell company to be the "manufacturer of record"?

Perhaps Komando/Commando is a distribution company owned by the actual manufacturer?

Surely would be nice to track down some info on these guns and whether they are actually going to be distributed in the US.

Don't know how closely you looked at the pictures but the wrists appeared to be much thinner than the Huglu guns....more like the S&W.

 

I went to their website and the boxlock rear action scallops look exactly like the S&W. Would not doubt it's the same company at all. Their website is not finished yet, but it seems like it might be a good fit if Mark DeHaan could get hooked up with these folks for custom gun ordering. Hmm, a custom sidelock with my dimensions, a POW stock and single selective trigger. What's not to like?

 

Quite so Riflemeister!!!

The idea of Mark working some kind of deal with them crossed my mind as well.

 

When I made reference to the photo in the link that I provided, I meant that is THE EXACT/ACTUAL photo that S&W has in there Advertising and brochure, I love that photo, that photo alone in full size almost moved me to buy one of these guns when they first came out, I even copied the photo for a background/screen saver on my computer but I lost it when my computer crashed.
And YES Riflemeister, I totally agree that would be awesome and perfect for Mark DeHaan, they would provide him and us with the consistantly high quality firearms that we desire.
Speaking of side locks, check out this thread from the Spanish forum that someone posted concerning these guns, it has excellent photos these guns inside and out and again some of these photos I've seen in the Kimber ads. These are Turkish guns at their finest.
viewtopic.php?f=126&t=249770&start=20

Man it would be great if Mark Dehaan or if he's not interested Chuck Lutz could bring these in to the USA.

 

OKAY!! I don't know how but I got their catalog to finally come up and I bookmarked it and I'm going to try to print the link here, I sure hope that it works, the picture that I refered to earlier that was in the S&W ads, well in the catalog it tells all about it being a picture of the S&W Elite series guns and how they were Field & Streams Winner in their Best of the Bests contest, I also found what I believe to be Huglu made guns in their catalog that even have the Huglu model numbers to boot. This is really interesting stuff, well here goes:
http://www.commando-arms.com/catalog/
Strat
IT WORKS!!!! AWESOME!! Check this stuff out!!
Oh yeah and under events on their website it says that they had a booth at the
"Shot Show" right in the good old Vegas, USA.

 

The Smith & Wesson Gold Elites were manufactured at the AKUS factory in Huglu, Turkey. They are not Huglu guns like the Orvis, DeHann, CZ and TRImports products. I don't know if Commando Arms is the distribution arm of AKUS or AKUS is the manufacturing facility of Commando, but there is a corporate link of some sort.

This is all being heavily discussed over at the double gun shop website. Also, I have been in contact with a Commando Arms representative and what I've said above is based on his answers to my questions. I am seriously considering pulling the trigger on one of their boxlocks. I think the all-in cost would be about what a CDNN is getting for its liquidation Gold Elites.

I own a S&W Gold Elite, that I'm very pleased with, but the stock is cast off for a right eyed shooter and I shoot off my left shoulder, so I have been looking at the cost of having the stock bent then perhaps refinished with an oil finish. Instead, I can leave that gun NIB, avoid that cost, order one of these, have a genuine apples-to-apples comparison between the two, then use the no-name gun as a regular field shooter. It should be interesting.

 

caddilac,
Is that the Commando Arms U. S. representative? If so do you have any contact info?

 

The Smith & Wesson Gold Elites were manufactured at the AKUS factory in Huglu, Turkey. They are not Huglu guns like the Orvis, DeHann, CZ and TRImports products. I don't know if Commando Arms is the distribution arm of AKUS or AKUS is the manufacturing facility of Commando, but there is a corporate link of some sort.

This is all being heavily discussed over at the double gun shop website.

Could I ask you to post a link to that thread?

Also, I have been in contact with a Commando Arms representative and what I've said above is based on his answers to my questions. I am seriously considering pulling the trigger on one of their boxlocks. I think the all-in cost would be about what a CDNN is getting for its liquidation Gold Elites.

If you decide to move forward with this project, I hope you will "include us in the loop". At a price comparable to the CDNN price for the S&W Gold Elite, I think a number of us would be interested.

caddilac,
Is that the Commando Arms U. S. representative? If so do you have any contact info?

+1 I think a lot of us would be interested!

 

The Smith & Wesson Gold Elites were manufactured at the AKUS factory in Huglu, Turkey. They are not Huglu guns like the Orvis, DeHann, CZ and TRImports products. I don't know if Commando Arms is the distribution arm of AKUS or AKUS is the manufacturing facility of Commando, but there is a corporate link of some sort.

Read more: posting.php?mode=reply&f=137&t=250887#ixzz1Fl0CwBsX

These Turks are full of surprises, I keep seeing the AKUS posted here as the gun manufacturer of the S&W's and I remembered that mine was not made by them but I wanted to be sure so I got my glasses and my S&W and the box and oddly enough my gun is made by "Utas", maybe another factory?? I'm really glad to hear about the pricing because I was told by a coulpe of folks including slohunter the oringinal poster that the prices started at $2000.00 so your price info is good news indeed.
Also take a minute and go to the backof the catalog that I posted and you'll see guns that definately look to be Huglus, just to pages 32 and 33 in the catalog:
http://www.commando-arms.com/catalog/
and you'll the sxs models 200A, 201A, 202A and a 101BE O/U, these all Huglu guns. I think maybe this Commando Arms is trying to gather up an assortment different manufacturers guns and market them??
Strat

 

I found the price list info and here's the link:
Just scroll down the thread and you'll see the prices.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubb ... 322&page=3

These guns are way too affordable, I think I'm in trouble here and so is a lot other gun manufacturers. I can't believe that the beautiful side lock sxs is only $2000.00+. This side lock model is just like the $5000.00+ Kimbers, man this economy sure can be a game changer.
Strat

 

I found the price list info and here's the link:
Just scroll down the thread and you'll see the prices.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubb ... 322&page=3

These guns are way too affordable, I think I'm in trouble here and so is a lot other gun manufacturers. I can't believe that the beautiful side lock sxs is only $2000.00+. This side lock model is just like the $5000.00+ Kimbers, man this economy sure can be a game changer.
Strat

Strat....I couldn't open the price list. Can you "snag" it and either post it as a pic or email it to me and I'll try to figure out how to post it?

Best.....2few

 

Interesting and very cool. This is the same guns and company that made the S&W and Kimber guns with a new name. I copied the home page link that I found on their site and the picture on the left is right out of the S&W brochure. This is great, I certainly hope that they do come to the USA, because it will make our S&W Elite guns an even better value.
http://www.commando-arms.com/index.asp
Strat

Absolutely. S&W, Kimber, Commando Arms, Webley Scott (except 800&900 series) made by AKUS.

Official web site,

http://www.akus.com.tr/en/index.html

 

Hey there few!! Just try opening it a couple a times, it wouldn't open for me the first time either, I got an error message but the 2nd or 3rd time that I tried it finally opened but just in case I copied and pasted the limited info below, the bottom listing"The Elite SxS Boxlock is I think the same gun as the S&W. I'll also post the link again maybe this one will work better. Honestly you might be better off not seeing them, I almost wish I hadn't, LOL!!! I can't believe these guns and prices.
Good Luck!! Strat
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubb ... 322&page=3

Prestige" SXS Sidelock 20 or 16ga_____Ejector - $2249_____Extractor - $1999

Prestige II" O/U 20ga Sidelock Ejector - $2799

"Elite" SXS Boxlock 12,16,20ga_____Ejector - $999_____ Extractor $829

 

Interesting and very cool. This is the same guns and company that made the S&W and Kimber guns with a new name. I copied the home page link that I found on their site and the picture on the left is right out of the S&W brochure. This is great, I certainly hope that they do come to the USA, because it will make our S&W Elite guns an even better value.
http://www.commando-arms.com/index.asp
Strat

Absolutely. S&W, Kimber, Commando Arms, Webley Scott (except 800&900 series) made by AKUS.

Official web site,

http://www.akus.com.tr/en/index.html

Thanks for the info. I wonder why my gun and the box say "Utas" as the maker?? It's stamped right on the gun and the paper work says the same thing, maybe "Utas" was the name of the joint venture company that S&W created?
Strat

 

I search UTAS. I guess it is a different company and it is unknown in Turkey. Maybe AKUS no longer produce for S&W.

http://www.utasturk.com/home.html

I will continue to search. İf I will learn something. I will share.

 

I search UTAS. I guess it is a different company and it is unknown in Turkey. Maybe AKUS no longer produce for S&W.

http://www.utasturk.com/home.html

I will continue to search. İf I will learn something. I will share.

Thanks so much for the taking time. It sure seems strange, I would like to hear from some of the others here as to what's stamped on they're guns.
Strat

 

"The clot thickens" says 2few as he pulls the bandage aside.....

Clearly Strat's S&W was produced by a company called "UTAS".....but it seems to have been "common knowledge" that the S&W guns were made by "AKAS"....

I'm wondering if perhaps the machining was done by UTAS but the final fitting, finishing and assembly were done by AKAS??? Might this explain the confusion???

Y'know, sort of like with an AR-15.....you can have all the parts but its the stripped lower receiver that is the actual firearm.

Might this UTAS/AKAS situation be a case where the gun was mostly made by AKAS but that whatever part the government of Turkey considers to be the actual firearm was actually manufactured by UTAS????

 

I know inquiring minds want to know but what if, the horror of it all, that it doesn't matter one lick, if the quality and price of the finished gun is what you look at?

It sounds a lot like the old days (and current days of Spanish production) that there is a whole cottage industry making these guns and as long as we get these guns here in the finished state as pictured and for a decent price, you could stamp Donald Duck as the Maker for all that it would matter.

 

I know inquiring minds want to know but what if, the horror of it all, that it doesn't matter one lick, if the quality and price of the finished gun is what you look at?

It sounds a lot like the old days (and current days of Spanish production) that there is a whole cottage industry making these guns and as long as we get these guns here in the finished state as pictured and for a decent price, you could stamp Donald Duck as the Maker for all that it would matter.

I gotta agree with you Chorizo, I believe that it is most likely more like the Spanish gun industry than we know. It seems very similiar plus they are kinda going thru an industrial revolution as well with all the advanced machinery and technology. All I know for sure is that the Turks are definately putting out some very fine shotguns, my S&W is certainly evidence of it. It is of as good a quality as any gun that own, even slighty better than some of my pretty expensive guns.
Strat

 

I know inquiring minds want to know but what if, the horror of it all, that it doesn't matter one lick, if the quality and price of the finished gun is what you look at?

It sounds a lot like the old days (and current days of Spanish production) that there is a whole cottage industry making these guns and as long as we get these guns here in the finished state as pictured and for a decent price, you could stamp Donald Duck as the Maker for all that it would matter.

Couldn't agree with you more Chorizo! All my speculation was in no way intended as questioning quality, but was rather idle intellectual speculation. Sort of like trying to figure out "who done it" when reading a murder mystery.

 

I realized that, but it oh so reminded me of the M-1 Carbine forum at CMP. They are buying armory refinished or re-assembled guns then spend hours and billions of "trons" trying to sort out what part was made where for what gun.

My first question when I got mine was "Does it shoot" and the second question was "Can I afford another one?"

I am thinking that if these guys ever get a toe hold in Europe and in the USA, you can kiss anything but the top level custom Spanish gun guys good-by.

I really look forward to getting my hands on one of these as it was all that I was talking about previously that the Turks needed to do: Slim down the wood, lighted up the frames and tubes to really reflect a 16 or 20 ga. On top of it all they had added great engraving and beautiful wood.

I can't help but drool all over the catalog.

 

Careful Chorizo, you might shorten out your keyboard. I bought myself a spillproof keyboard for that reason...

GermanGuy

 

Careful Chorizo, you might shorten out your keyboard. I bought myself a spillproof keyboard for that reason...

GermanGuy

Before I even open any gun catalogs, I spread Saran Wrap over the top of the keyboard, get out an old bib from the Grandson and a roll of paper towels!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The pictures of the sidelocks are plenty drool worthy.............DT, Spliner forend, striking engraving, wood to die for.

I would like to see a price, but it may be more than my heart can take!