Looks like a berretta clone. For the price that includes drop out trigger, and adjustable comb, I'd wonder about durability. Maybe I'm wrong but something has to give to get the price down that low.

I'd be interested to see a report back after 20k rounds through one of these guns.

 

Yildiz made an exact clone of the Perazzi.
I want to know if this gun is 100.000% barrel and parts compatible with the Beretta.

Here is what gives to get the price down: No advertising, marketing, support (financially stable importer) and (as of April 2023) the average annual income in Turkey is $4872. That's PER YEAR. The Turkish economy is in a shambles.

If you're gonna steal a design, steal a good one. The video would be interesting if put side by side with the Beretta and see which parts can be franken-gun passed back and forth.

 

I want to know if this gun is 100.000% barrel and parts compatible with the Beretta.

No. https://weatherby.com/store/orion-sporting/

 

Are too good to be true stories usually a warning?

 

If I was going for a clone, I would want a Perazzi clone. If you're gonna steal a design, steal from the best.

 

This company are the importers.

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Seems like an excellent entry level dedicated sporting gun. Unfortunately for the US I believe that Weatherby (made by ATA) has some sort of exclusivity arrangement. To the best of my knowledge ATA branded O/U are not available here. I've no fondness for the Weatherbys as they are all adorned with the big bellied forend and a couple dozen extra holes in the barrel.

 

Patents have expired on the 1968 Perazzi designs.

 

The ATA SP has been around for a long time. For the money, you can't do any better. Weatherby Orion 1 Over/Under Shotgun .

Extra holes in the barrel?

 

 

Barrel shoulders not replaceable, hammers using coil springs, not left springs that would make lock time faster, using inertia block for trigger reset instead of going with Mech trigger and so one. Also going to go with MIM parts, instead of forge ground parts, so question on how sears and other areas are going to hold shape long term.
So yes, expired pattents to produce a gun, but just because them are using such, not produced to the same quality of what made the orginal guns so good in the first place (quality of parts, as well as final fit and finish on the internals.

So first question is replaceable parts, since if going to be used as a target gun, then without supply of parts, whole idea is a bust.
Next is just how well gun will hold up for 30K, until is time to be serviced. Hence P, B,K target guns, is all about not needing to be serviced for 30K, and when serviced for close to up to the 200K mark, not a lot of drama needed to get it back to factory spec. Hell, with the K guns, even if the gun barrels need to be brought back on face at the 600K+ mark, still not an arm and legs for K to do so, so when you get the gun back, it back to factory spec of how it first left the factory.

On the other side of the coin, have the turkey import guns that the importer is more really just an importer and not a service shop, that lets face it, come the 10K mark, pretty much rattle traps, can not get parts since importer is just importing the guns, not really services them in house, and if you could send it back into get it back to factory specs, cheaper to just buy a new gun instead.

Hell, will take it one step farther, since a Zoli (have been shooting one for over a decade) is not the gun a P gun is in regards to internal forged parts and design, but the difference and why the Zoli brand has caught on in the states, it due to Coles servicing them/has the parts when needed.

So ATA sp pro 12, guess will be going for $1500 in the states, will have someone like Firearm depot selling them, and may be fine for someone that is going to use it as a hunting gun, maybe target once a year that may only shoot a few thousands round in the guns life, but as a target gun for 30K+ rounds a year, not going too fit the bill due to lack of service and parts down the line isntead.

Bottom line, target gun comes down to who is servicing them, and if not in place to begin with (not just parts changers), gun will be a bust no mater how cheap of a price is goes for. Take the P guns that first came into the states via imported by ithica then winchester, and it was not until the time of Perazzi USA/Giacomo for repair, and picking up top shooters like Ray Stanford, that the shotguns brand really took off in the states.

Hell, in the last few decades, have seen gun brand come and go from the ranks of shotguns to buy for target shooters, and it all came down to who was servicing them/had parts, and was going the extra mile when that time came. Simply had a few freinds that shot Caesar Guerini for a while (broke down too often before actual 30K service times), and the downside to them was always service when they needed them, and problem may be fixed when you got them back from the factory, but the factory never took the extra steps to make sure it was coming back, as fresh as it first left the factory for even the pit stop program.


So come the ata arms guns, and will guess if they do make it into the states, going to be just a selling dealer importing them to sell like foxtrot LCC, may have a shop in house or one close by to farm out that can parts swap as needed for warrenty work, but will not have the service type shops like Coles, K or Giacomo, where the shotguns are designed to last in the first place, and when they do need to be sent in so they keep runing for 1M rounds, bust as well.

So the ata

 

So first question is replaceable parts, since if going to be used as a target gun, then without supply of parts, whole idea is a bust.

Not hardly. Americans love cheap guns, the reason for the Mossberg Silver Reserve and Savage 555: Over Under Shotguns, 410 Over Under up to 12 GA | Savage Arms . There are countless more.

ATA shotguns have been sold in the U.S. for many, many years, by Weatherby and others. Weatherby services what they sell and they also come with 5 year warranties. Weatherby does their own QC in Istanbul. The ATA SP "Orion " was more than popular enough to justify a 20 gauge and now, Sporting models in 12 and 20. The ATA Neo has been a strong seller for Weatherby for many years, as the Weatherby Element: Weatherby Element 12 gauge Inertia Autoloading Shotgun .

 

While the barrel lockup is very 686ish, the ATA SP is not a Beretta clone:

30k targets per year? A buyer of a $1500 gun probably isn't ready to shell out the $$$ to shoot 5k per year.

I think it's an interesting gun, about on the same level as the Webley & Scott Pro. A good enough gun for someone who shoots a couple thousand targets a year. Or a stepping stone to something better if they decide they want to (and can afford) to shoot more.

Still, if the Yildiz Pro was being marketed here as it is in the UK, I'd probably go that route in the under $2k bracket.

 

I don’t have one but have shot one. I liked it and that was a 30” sporter. Shot just as bad with it as I do my Browning.

 

Wetherby not available in US in 12/32
Think the ATA is available in Canada as 12/32

 

Sold in the USA by Acadamy Sports, they sell Yildiz also. Pumps aren't bad for cheap shotguns, but the Semi autos are not reliable. Both sell in my area for $300-480.00 dollars for 12g pumps.