i'll bet it's being made in turkey, and they'll be charging $2k for it. i like my m-1, but their prices for a simple plastic shotgun are insane! why are we willing to pay them so much for so little?
Todd Schreiber
I talked to a dealer today who was at the shot show and he said benelli had a big display about the Vinci, they had the case behind a field of laser beams and had two FBI looking guys guarding the display. I hope the gun is worth all the hype they are making out of it. He also said he thinks it will be a 28ga field gun with the ARGO system, he claims the inertia system won't function reliably with a light small gauge gun. I disagree with that because if you downsize all the parts I don't see why a 28ga inertia gun can't be made to work. I guess on march 31 we'll all find out.
Going along with what previous posts have said about it being some new shotgun capable of quick modifications (stock, etc). I dont know if any of you caught the link on the old website giving away free pistol grip stocks to people who bought new SBE II's or M2's between i think it was november-december. (My stock came in yesterday) I know a lot of companies do promotions like these before they role out new products. With benelli putting so much money into promotion of the vinci maybe they are thinking it will replace the sbe II/M2 and with a different stock type there will be no need to have thousands of pistol grip stocks lying around for guns that are no longer the main product line for Benelli.
Not that I necessarily believe the two are related, but there has to be some reason benelli just started giving away expensive pistol grips for the M2/SBEII.
Not that I necessarily believe the two are related, but there has to be some reason benelli just started giving away expensive pistol grips for the M2/SBEII.
My dream Vinci would be a bullpup, thumbhole stock, Argo gas system modified to accept 3.5" shells, autoregulating loads for 7/8oz loads on up. Of course camo and the Beretta hydro recoil pad system, not to mention a picatinny mount built in and a flip-up AR15 style front sight built flush to the elevated rib. Crio+ extended chokes standard equipment. I guess we'll see.
Went to the "Pheasant's Forever" "Pheasant Fest" in Madison today. Good show. Lots to see. Asked the rep at the Benelli booth what he knew about the Vinci. Not suprisingly he gave me the "revolutionary new shotgun, blah, blah, blah." I did ask him if he thought it would be gas or inertia. Hoped to catch him off guard and all. Anyway, he said that with Benelli having built their reputation on inertia, he doubted that it would be a gas gun. For what it's worth...
Hey MadCity i'm going to Pheasant fest tomorrow. How was the show and what should I not miss.
Well, like everyone else I have no idea what it is going to be. But one thing is certain, it will cost more.
I have to agree with the above poster who said it will really have to do/be something special to top my SBE II. Maybe it can be done, but this is hands down the best field gun I have ever owned.
I have to agree with the above poster who said it will really have to do/be something special to top my SBE II. Maybe it can be done, but this is hands down the best field gun I have ever owned.
Okay, thought about this some more. Fun to speculate.
Benelli will probably not incorporate gas operation. Too much invested in the whole "inertia driven" marketing scheme. This is brand identified.
Also, for those that say that the companies in the Beretta International umbrella don't borrow from each other, how do you explain the Beretta UGB25 Excel?
Indeed, I think this may be a hint. I suspect the Vinci will have an overbored barrel--they will have figured out a way to keep pressure high enough to make it cycle even with lighter loads (and maybe this suggests they will incorporate some sort of gas feature). Everyone else has them and it is a fact that even the SBE II will generally not pattern as well with some loads as even, for example, the humble Mossberg 935. And heck, who knows? Maybe it will be break-action like the UGB25. Now that would be interesting! Useful? Don't know about that, but for sure interesting.
DMB
Benelli will probably not incorporate gas operation. Too much invested in the whole "inertia driven" marketing scheme. This is brand identified.
Also, for those that say that the companies in the Beretta International umbrella don't borrow from each other, how do you explain the Beretta UGB25 Excel?
Indeed, I think this may be a hint. I suspect the Vinci will have an overbored barrel--they will have figured out a way to keep pressure high enough to make it cycle even with lighter loads (and maybe this suggests they will incorporate some sort of gas feature). Everyone else has them and it is a fact that even the SBE II will generally not pattern as well with some loads as even, for example, the humble Mossberg 935. And heck, who knows? Maybe it will be break-action like the UGB25. Now that would be interesting! Useful? Don't know about that, but for sure interesting.
DMB
DMB,
pressure has nothing to do with the inertia operation of a Benelli. The current cryogenic barrels do carry an over-bore as compared to the older models. The inertia operation works because of Newton's third law of motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The free recoil of foot pounds has nothing to do with pressure. Pressure is not figured in the recoil equation.
Go to this web page and you can play around with the recoil equation. You will see that the java based recoil equation program will not ask for shell pressure.
http://www.zknives.com/bali/brcstgn.shtml
pressure has nothing to do with the inertia operation of a Benelli. The current cryogenic barrels do carry an over-bore as compared to the older models. The inertia operation works because of Newton's third law of motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The free recoil of foot pounds has nothing to do with pressure. Pressure is not figured in the recoil equation.
Go to this web page and you can play around with the recoil equation. You will see that the java based recoil equation program will not ask for shell pressure.
http://www.zknives.com/bali/brcstgn.shtml
Up until recently Benelli would void the warranty of any Benelli that was overbored. They have been doing a bunch of testing and now you can buy either a Supersport or Cordoba Model from the Benelli Performance Shop that is overbored from .723 to .733 and has lengthened forcing cones. Briley is doing the work. Triggers, forend weights, barrels, chokes, release bolts and bolt operating handles is what you get in the package.
Rumor has it that Briley has recieved opproximately 6 pallets of these guns to get started on. That is 60 or so guns per pallet.
So what I have been told is to Overbore the barrel they are no longer Chrome lined. They still can shoot steel loads but are more prone to rust and possibly a little harder to clean then the Chrome but the patterning and felt recoil is a bigger plus.
Check them out here
Supersport
http://media.benelliusa.com/assets/pres ... rSport.pdf
Cordoba
http://media.benelliusa.com/assets/pres ... ordoba.pdf
Rumor has it that Briley has recieved opproximately 6 pallets of these guns to get started on. That is 60 or so guns per pallet.
So what I have been told is to Overbore the barrel they are no longer Chrome lined. They still can shoot steel loads but are more prone to rust and possibly a little harder to clean then the Chrome but the patterning and felt recoil is a bigger plus.
Check them out here
Supersport
http://media.benelliusa.com/assets/pres ... rSport.pdf
Cordoba
http://media.benelliusa.com/assets/pres ... ordoba.pdf
One more thing.
The reason I was always told that the guns would not be warrantied if overbored was because of pressures that could be lost that COULD cause the gun not to cycle.
I am still not convinced even with Benelli's blessing that having a cycling problem could not still exist.
It will be interesting as to how they test out in the real world of High volume dove shooting or the clay target sports.
P.S. Anthony Materese Jr. uses a gun that has a .723 bore and he won the Nationals with it.
The reason I was always told that the guns would not be warrantied if overbored was because of pressures that could be lost that COULD cause the gun not to cycle.
I am still not convinced even with Benelli's blessing that having a cycling problem could not still exist.
It will be interesting as to how they test out in the real world of High volume dove shooting or the clay target sports.
P.S. Anthony Materese Jr. uses a gun that has a .723 bore and he won the Nationals with it.
croberts wrote:
I think there is someone else making larger bore barrels for the SBE's.
http://www.theosshotguncorner.com/
Yea but, he's not using hard non toxic loads with large pellet sizes or large payloads. This is where the overbored barrels make more of a difference.
I think there is someone else making larger bore barrels for the SBE's.
http://www.theosshotguncorner.com/
The most interesting suggestion I've seen floating around was Benelli possibly cribbing the Kriss Super-v system.
For those unaware...
http://www.bbindoorthai.com/phpbb2/file ... _v_162.jpg
Basically an inertia system that's angled downwards to reduce muzzle climb.
For those unaware...
http://www.bbindoorthai.com/phpbb2/file ... _v_162.jpg
Basically an inertia system that's angled downwards to reduce muzzle climb.
Interesting indeed. It looks like on the KRISS website they were developing their own shotgun.
Wonder if they gave up on that and Benelli made them an offer they couldn't refuse to lease/obtain the technology.
If this is actually what it is I wonder how different the firearm will look. Can they fit that bolt/recoil system in without a big vertical section like those carbines?
Wonder if they gave up on that and Benelli made them an offer they couldn't refuse to lease/obtain the technology.
If this is actually what it is I wonder how different the firearm will look. Can they fit that bolt/recoil system in without a big vertical section like those carbines?
Interesting thought, I have read this on a few other boards too.
The KRISS MVS does not use a vertical system like the SMG.
http://www.kriss-tdi.com/products.html
It doesn't have much detail but if you scroll down you can see a picture of the concept.
The KRISS MVS does not use a vertical system like the SMG.
http://www.kriss-tdi.com/products.html
It doesn't have much detail but if you scroll down you can see a picture of the concept.
Scurvy wrote:
That is what I was refering to in my first post as being a possability.
They could still have the normal bolt link push back and have the vertical part contained in the pistol grip area of the stock. It would need to travel downward the last part of the cycle to reduce any recoil. It would more than likely be a reduced amount over their standard system.
Hey guys, sorry for cutting in here as I dont own a Benelli just admire them. And sorry if this has been mentioned but I didnt read all 4 pages.
I saw a new comercial on the outdoor network this past weekend about the Vinci and the commentator stated it was a "revolutionary hunting shotgun" if I remeber correct. The comercial was that dude from the website running from people chasing him while he was holding that case but like I said I heard the commentator mention hunting shotgun...FWIW. Still might not mean a whole lot towards what it actually will be...
At the bottom of the screen it says the next generation hunting gun...
http://www.benelliusa.com/vinci/
I saw a new comercial on the outdoor network this past weekend about the Vinci and the commentator stated it was a "revolutionary hunting shotgun" if I remeber correct. The comercial was that dude from the website running from people chasing him while he was holding that case but like I said I heard the commentator mention hunting shotgun...FWIW. Still might not mean a whole lot towards what it actually will be...
At the bottom of the screen it says the next generation hunting gun...
http://www.benelliusa.com/vinci/
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